Epci Treant Please Help [Archive] - Wizards Community

Epci Treant Please Help [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
tn320
02-08-06, 01:30 PM I wanted to make an Epic level Treant for a campaign. I do not want to use the treant in the Epic Level Handbook. I wanted to use the base treant which has 7 HD and a +5 Level adjustment and a 8 Challenge Rating. I am going to use the Rules for improving a monster by adding Character classes. How many Character Class levels do I have to add to the Treant before it becomes an epic level Creature and can take Epic Level Feats.

I wasn't sure where to post this so I posted it on the Epic and DM's Board also.
Talisman
02-08-06, 04:11 PM There are two official answers, both from the ELH.

The first is that it becomes Epic when it's ECL (HD + LA) equal 21. This means at either 16 HD or 7 HD (base) +9 class levels.

The second is that it becomes Epic whe its HD total reaches 21. This is at 21 HD or 7 HD + 14 class levels.

It's your choice, but Option #2 makes more sense to me.
savant_warlord13
02-08-06, 05:10 PM I'm not sure which of those is official, talisman, but there is no way in the 666 layers of the abyss that both are!
runestar
02-08-06, 09:04 PM I will go with option2, since it is most consistent with both PCs and NPCs.(I see no reason why PCs and NPCs should be subject to 2 different methods of epic progression. Always go with HD.
Talisman
02-09-06, 03:55 PM I'm not sure which of those is official, talisman, but there is no way in the 666 layers of the abyss that both are!

I swear to Bahamut, they are both described as official...I believe both are in the Epic Level Handbook. Insane, I agree.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
tn320 02-08-06, 01:30 PM	I wanted to make an Epic level Treant for a campaign. I do not want to use the treant in the Epic Level Handbook. I wanted to use the base treant which has 7 HD and a +5 Level adjustment and a 8 Challenge Rating. I am going to use the Rules for improving a monster by adding Character classes. How many Character Class levels do I have to add to the Treant before it becomes an epic level Creature and can take Epic Level Feats. I wasn't sure where to post this so I posted it on the Epic and DM's Board also.
Talisman 02-08-06, 04:11 PM	There are two official answers, both from the ELH. The first is that it becomes Epic when it's ECL (HD + LA) equal 21. This means at either 16 HD or 7 HD (base) +9 class levels. The second is that it becomes Epic whe its HD total reaches 21. This is at 21 HD or 7 HD + 14 class levels. It's your choice, but Option #2 makes more sense to me.
savant_warlord13 02-08-06, 05:10 PM	I'm not sure which of those is official, talisman, but there is no way in the 666 layers of the abyss that both are!
runestar 02-08-06, 09:04 PM	I will go with option2, since it is most consistent with both PCs and NPCs.(I see no reason why PCs and NPCs should be subject to 2 different methods of epic progression. Always go with HD.
Talisman 02-09-06, 03:55 PM	I'm not sure which of those is official, talisman, but there is no way in the 666 layers of the abyss that both are! I swear to Bahamut, they are both described as official...I believe both are in the Epic Level Handbook. Insane, I agree.