Epic Beastie needs a CR [Archive] - Wizards Community

Epic Beastie needs a CR [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Drake Dragonslayer
08-22-04, 08:39 AM Guardian Angel
Large Outsider (Good) (Lawful)
Hit Dice: 50d8 +600 (825)
Initiative: +16 (Dex)
Speed: 30ft, Fly 90ft
AC: 29 (-2 size, +15 natural, +16 Dexterity)
Attacks: +62 Longsword | 17-20 x2
Damage: Longsword 1d8 + 3d6 lightning + 1d6 Holy + 17
Face/Reach: 5ft by 5ft / 10ft
Special Attacks: Smite Evil (+ 15 attack, + 50 damage)
Special Qualities: Turn Undead
Saves: Fort +39, Ref +43, Will +36
Abilities: Str 30, Dex 42, Con 35, Int 20, Wis 29, Cha 40
Skills: Animal Empathy +65, Concentration +62, Diplomacy +65, Escape Artist +66, Knowledge [Religion] + 55, Knowledge [Arcana] +55, Craft [Weaponsmith] +55, Hide + 66, Move Silently +66, Listen +59, Spot +59, Sense Motive +59, Slight of hand +66
Feats: Weapon Focus [Longsword], Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave, Run, Epic Weapon Focus [Longsword], Burst of Speed x3, Improved Crit [Longsword], Overwhelming Critical [Longsword], Devastating Critical [Longsword], Spectral Strike
Climate/Terrain: Any
Organization: Solitary
Treasure: Triple Standard
Alignment: Always Lawful Good
Advancement: By Class Level [Only Cleric, Fighter or Paladin]
CR: ????

Combat
All Guardian Angels carry +7 Holy Vorpal Lightning blast Longswords. In combat they rush into close range combat and chase down their enemies with their immense speed.

Turn Undead
Guardian Angels turn undead as a 30th level cleric.

I need a CR estimate if possible. I'll post the Flavour text later.
Fasius
08-22-04, 09:16 AM Shouldn't this thing have spell-like abilities?
Purkake
08-22-04, 09:36 AM If they are combat-oriented why do they have so low ac?
Drake Dragonslayer
08-22-04, 11:01 AM Originally posted by Fasius
Shouldn't this thing have spell-like abilities?

Nope.

If they are combat-oriented why do they have so low ac?

Because of their HP.

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Any help with my Actual request?
Mithral Icesilver
08-22-04, 11:36 AM I have no idea. CR's get all wonky at epic levels, and I've only ever done one epic beasty before: Maxwell's Demon, as shown in the series A Wizard in Rhyme (or rather, the second book of the series, which is the only one I've read).
You might try the folks on the ELH board.
Kilsek of Sheverash
08-22-04, 11:41 AM First thing I'd do is compare it to any epic monster that's close in power, HD, etc. in the ELH.

Even if you find something that's only 80% close, that's a start, and you can estimate it's CR from there.

Alternatively, crack open your Deities & Demigods and try to find a god that's close to your monster in in power, HD, etc. instead and use that as your baseline to ballpark its CR.

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Drake Dragonslayer 08-22-04, 08:39 AM	Guardian Angel Large Outsider (Good) (Lawful) Hit Dice: 50d8 +600 (825) Initiative: +16 (Dex) Speed: 30ft, Fly 90ft AC: 29 (-2 size, +15 natural, +16 Dexterity) Attacks: +62 Longsword \| 17-20 x2 Damage: Longsword 1d8 + 3d6 lightning + 1d6 Holy + 17 Face/Reach: 5ft by 5ft / 10ft Special Attacks: Smite Evil (+ 15 attack, + 50 damage) Special Qualities: Turn Undead Saves: Fort +39, Ref +43, Will +36 Abilities: Str 30, Dex 42, Con 35, Int 20, Wis 29, Cha 40 Skills: Animal Empathy +65, Concentration +62, Diplomacy +65, Escape Artist +66, Knowledge [Religion] + 55, Knowledge [Arcana] +55, Craft [Weaponsmith] +55, Hide + 66, Move Silently +66, Listen +59, Spot +59, Sense Motive +59, Slight of hand +66 Feats: Weapon Focus [Longsword], Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave, Run, Epic Weapon Focus [Longsword], Burst of Speed x3, Improved Crit [Longsword], Overwhelming Critical [Longsword], Devastating Critical [Longsword], Spectral Strike Climate/Terrain: Any Organization: Solitary Treasure: Triple Standard Alignment: Always Lawful Good Advancement: By Class Level [Only Cleric, Fighter or Paladin] CR: ???? Combat All Guardian Angels carry +7 Holy Vorpal Lightning blast Longswords. In combat they rush into close range combat and chase down their enemies with their immense speed. Turn Undead Guardian Angels turn undead as a 30th level cleric. I need a CR estimate if possible. I'll post the Flavour text later.
Fasius 08-22-04, 09:16 AM	Shouldn't this thing have spell-like abilities?
Purkake 08-22-04, 09:36 AM	If they are combat-oriented why do they have so low ac?
Drake Dragonslayer 08-22-04, 11:01 AM	Originally posted by Fasius Shouldn't this thing have spell-like abilities? Nope. If they are combat-oriented why do they have so low ac? Because of their HP. ------------------------- Any help with my Actual request?
Mithral Icesilver 08-22-04, 11:36 AM	I have no idea. CR's get all wonky at epic levels, and I've only ever done one epic beasty before: Maxwell's Demon, as shown in the series A Wizard in Rhyme (or rather, the second book of the series, which is the only one I've read). You might try the folks on the ELH board.
Kilsek of Sheverash 08-22-04, 11:41 AM	First thing I'd do is compare it to any epic monster that's close in power, HD, etc. in the ELH. Even if you find something that's only 80% close, that's a start, and you can estimate it's CR from there. Alternatively, crack open your Deities & Demigods and try to find a god that's close to your monster in in power, HD, etc. instead and use that as your baseline to ballpark its CR.