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mage_guy 01-30-07, 06:51 PM	I had a lich that ended up escaping from the PCs, because they had already destroyed its phylactery. My question, and this seems like the most approprate place to post this, is can the lich create another phylactery, or is just a one shot deal? Thanks, RM
The ShapeLess One 01-30-07, 09:56 PM	In my game if the phylactery was destroyed but the lich is "alive". Then I would say another one could be built. If both are destroyed then it is gone.
Beckett 01-31-07, 02:40 PM	But you also might want to consider it takes over half a year of work to create one.
Talisman 01-31-07, 03:27 PM	I'd go with following the rules for making a phylactery again (i.e., the lich has to accumulate the gold/special materials, spend the XP, etc., all over again). Alternately, a phylactery might be a "one-shot" magic item, like Sauron's One Ring: once it's gone, it's gone. In that case, I'd expect a phylactery-less lich to be a lot more cautious, even paranoid.
bastrak 01-31-07, 04:06 PM	Page 151 of Libris Mortis says a Lich whose phylactery is destroyed cannot construct a new one.
Beckett 01-31-07, 08:45 PM	And some Dungeon adventure says they can. . . Or a Wish/Miracle spell perhaps.
Shemeska the Marauder 02-01-07, 02:06 AM	LM was poorly written. The lich can create a new one, but it's going to take considerable effort, and in theory it might take some additional research and work on their behalf to create it because the process might be different since they're already in an undead state and the first phylactery was created as a recepticle for their soul when they were still alive/during their transition to undeath. If it makes cohesive sense, thematically speaking, and makes for a good story, I say go for it.
TheOinodaemon 02-01-07, 02:50 AM	I'd let him make a new one if he could find all the approriate materials. It would have to take a while, and the guys going to have to figure out what happened to his sould after the phylactery was destroyed. It could be that it went back into him, but (seeing how he's all dead and such) I'd probably make it go to the Lower Planes as a larva. That would be a messed up little race between him and the PCs. Fun to play too...
mage_guy 02-01-07, 10:11 AM	Thanks guys. I was just going to have him be able to create a new one anyway. He's working for someone with the means and the power to allow him the ability to make a new one. And its ok, the lich is going to end up an object lesson anyway. I just want him to have a phylactery so his boss can turn him into a Grisgol (MM III, I think) because he failed. Although that lich's soul being sent to the lower planes notion makes for a good campaign plot...especially if it's one of those good lich variants from LM. Hrm... Thanks much. RM
LordCallubonn 02-01-07, 10:48 AM	I'd have to say it would end up going to the Negative Material Plane, and then the lich would have to find a way to re-summon his own soul..(that's got to suck) Either The Negative Material Plane or the Etheral Plane.. Worst case is, it would end up a wandering soul & have to be recaptured before it is destroyed by another band of adventures. (talk about alot of bs to just get your soul back in a jar) :uh-huh:
Shemeska the Marauder 02-01-07, 11:07 AM	If his phylactery is destroyed, his soul is going to be in his body. Liches have full body/soul duality, and the phylactery only serves as a recepticle for the soul in the event that the lich's corporeal form is killed. In that event the soul returns to the phylactery and is able to recreate a new body to inhabite. But normally the soul is there inside the lich, though retaining a sort of tenuous link to the phylactery that ensures that if killed, the soul goes there rather than ending up as a petitioner in one of the outer planes.