Evil Flying Mounts? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Evil Flying Mounts? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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TygerTyger
04-16-07, 10:51 AM OK, I need a great flavour flying beast, usable as a mount by a bloke in full plate. Think Blackguard death from above.

But the old standards (griffon, hippogriff, pegasus, wyvern) just aren't cutting it (though wyvern is close) for the flavour we're looking for here.

The characters are 12th level, so something on par with that is great. Any thoughts?
SpoonyBard
04-16-07, 10:59 AM Well, my evil character regularly mounts a succu...

Oooooh, a flying creature to ride in COMBAT.

Nightmare. ECL 10, awesome fly speed, ultimate villiany, and you can always customize it with templates or simply advance the HD.
Lanoitakude
04-16-07, 11:08 AM I second the Nightmare. That sucker is fast, and has extremely powerful spell-like abilities at will.
The_Shaman
04-16-07, 11:09 AM Fiendish and/or half-dragon version of any large+ creature? Good call on the nightmare, though. Fiendish dire eagle (races of Stone) should be relatively easy.
SpoonyBard
04-16-07, 11:16 AM Doesn't one of the books have rules for Lesser Nightmare and Greater Nightmare?

THe thing about fiendish creatures is that they're just... fiendish creatures. The Nightmare is a creature in its own right, an instantly recognizable force of evil.

Now, if you can get wings on a Nessian Warhound (hellhound) somehow (Half white dragon to give it two immunities and no weaknesses?) it's just as impressive, but that requires being LAWFUL evil.
DebiHuman
04-16-07, 03:02 PM Hmm. Advanced Night Hunter (a type of Bat) or Peryton (from Unapproachable East). Personally, I never thought of those critters as being particularly Oriental in flavor.

Add winged template to an advanced Hellhound or Nessian hound would work. If you really want a flying mount, a multi-headed winged Hellhound would be nasty -- some misbegotten offspring of Cerberus perhaps.

Even a fiendish pegasus would work. Half-fiend unicorn or a chimera even an evil sphinx.

Debby
Rickiel
04-16-07, 06:06 PM Fiendish gryphon.

Though you don't have to call it that. You can say it's a Dread Hawk of Hades! :)
MCage
04-16-07, 09:19 PM There was a Dungeon Magazine A whiles back with a floating cloud of Giants that used half white dragon griffons, personally id like an evil (N)PC of uber blackness to ride on a nice white evil bird-dragon, good clash of scary
GoriceXII
04-17-07, 03:30 AM How about cryosphinxes or manticores?
Warforged Goblin
04-17-07, 09:27 AM Want a bad-ass, flying mount? I have two words for you:

Winged. Hydra.
Cricket_God
04-17-07, 09:00 PM Use Animate Dead to zombify a Very Young Red Dragon. The result is something like:

Large Undead
HP: 20d12+3 (133)
Initiative: -1
Speed: 40ft, 150ft fly (clumsy)
AC: 20 (-1 size, -1 dex, +12 natural), Touch 8, Flat Footed 10
BA/G: +10/+20
Attack: Bite +15 melee (2d6+6)
Full Attack: Bite +15 melee (2d6+6) and 2 Claws +10 melee (1d8+3) and 2 Wings +10 melee (1d6+3) and Tail Slap +10 melee (1d8+9)
Special Attacks: -
Special Qualities: DR 5/slashing, single actions only
Space/Reach: 10ft/5ft (10ft with bite)
Saves: Fort +6, Reflex +6, Will +12
Abilities: Str 23, Dex 8, Con -, Int -, Wis 10, Cha 1
Skills: -
Feats: Toughness
CR: 6
Alignment: Neutral Evil

It's big, fast, and (unlike a nightmare) not about to question you if you make a stupid decision and can't be forced to turn on you.
coomber
04-17-07, 09:53 PM Someone kinda beat me to this (flying hydra) but get yourself a ten-headed shrieking terror for ultimate evilness! Plus, you'll be followed by sycophantic vargouilles wherever you go - and what sort of evil psycho doesn't want big flappy heads kissing his butt around the clock!?
Warforged Goblin
04-18-07, 08:28 AM - and what sort of evil psycho doesn't want big flappy heads kissing his butt around the clock!?

When those flapping heads have a "Kiss" attack. :D
coomber
04-18-07, 09:01 AM When those flapping heads have a "Kiss" attack. :D

Ahhh, but imagine how terrifying his blackguard will become when his butt breaks away in 4d6 hours and flies at his enemies!!!!
Echo_that_Pains
04-18-07, 09:30 AM I can not recall if it flies or not, but the Black Unicorn (from the 3.0 Monster Compendium) is "favored" by evil knights. The only restriction is that you must be female to ride it.

Also, there is an item in Savage Species called Horseshoes of Flame. 3/day a command word may be spoken which allows your mount to gain MAJOR bonuses to int/etc as well as gain fly and fire hooves just as a nightmare. The duration is like 7 hours or until dispelled so it can pretty much be used all day long. It only costs like 35,000 too so it would probably be in your price range. If you are unable to get/keep another creature, just slap some of these on your Fiendish Warhorse (from Blackguard feature) and viola - you have an INCREDIBLE flying mount!
Warforged Goblin
04-18-07, 11:08 AM Ahhh, but imagine how terrifying his blackguard will become when his butt breaks away in 4d6 hours and flies at his enemies!!!!

I think I've had taco bell that does the same thing... :thinks:
Darknight303
04-20-07, 09:07 AM Use Animate Dead to zombify a Very Young Red Dragon. The result is something like:

Large Undead
HP: 20d12+3 (133)
Initiative: -1
Speed: 40ft, 150ft fly (clumsy)
AC: 20 (-1 size, -1 dex, +12 natural), Touch 8, Flat Footed 10
BA/G: +10/+20
Attack: Bite +15 melee (2d6+6)
Full Attack: Bite +15 melee (2d6+6) and 2 Claws +10 melee (1d8+3) and 2 Wings +10 melee (1d6+3) and Tail Slap +10 melee (1d8+9)
Special Attacks: -
Special Qualities: DR 5/slashing, single actions only
Space/Reach: 10ft/5ft (10ft with bite)
Saves: Fort +6, Reflex +6, Will +12
Abilities: Str 23, Dex 8, Con -, Int -, Wis 10, Cha 1
Skills: -
Feats: Toughness
CR: 6
Alignment: Neutral Evil

It's big, fast, and (unlike a nightmare) not about to question you if you make a stupid decision and can't be forced to turn on you.

take that and throw the spellstitched template on it for the spells at caster lvl 20, the spell resistance, damage reduction, and esspecially the turning resistance because i dont even want to think about being a top a dragon when it runs away in fear for a minute

see MM2 for template, might edit it in when i get home
Warforged Goblin
04-20-07, 11:44 AM The updated version of the Spellstitched template is in either Complete Arcane, Libris Mortis, or both.
Dead_Weasel
04-20-07, 07:04 PM Half-Fey slapped onto something evil, or Unseelie Fey slapped onto anything fast.
Fiend Folio and the Dragon Compendium/Dragon #304, respectively.
Because evil butterfly wings are pimp.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
TygerTyger 04-16-07, 10:51 AM	OK, I need a great flavour flying beast, usable as a mount by a bloke in full plate. Think Blackguard death from above. But the old standards (griffon, hippogriff, pegasus, wyvern) just aren't cutting it (though wyvern is close) for the flavour we're looking for here. The characters are 12th level, so something on par with that is great. Any thoughts?
SpoonyBard 04-16-07, 10:59 AM	Well, my evil character regularly mounts a succu... Oooooh, a flying creature to ride in COMBAT. Nightmare. ECL 10, awesome fly speed, ultimate villiany, and you can always customize it with templates or simply advance the HD.
Lanoitakude 04-16-07, 11:08 AM	I second the Nightmare. That sucker is fast, and has extremely powerful spell-like abilities at will.
The_Shaman 04-16-07, 11:09 AM	Fiendish and/or half-dragon version of any large+ creature? Good call on the nightmare, though. Fiendish dire eagle (races of Stone) should be relatively easy.
SpoonyBard 04-16-07, 11:16 AM	Doesn't one of the books have rules for Lesser Nightmare and Greater Nightmare? THe thing about fiendish creatures is that they're just... fiendish creatures. The Nightmare is a creature in its own right, an instantly recognizable force of evil. Now, if you can get wings on a Nessian Warhound (hellhound) somehow (Half white dragon to give it two immunities and no weaknesses?) it's just as impressive, but that requires being LAWFUL evil.
DebiHuman 04-16-07, 03:02 PM	Hmm. Advanced Night Hunter (a type of Bat) or Peryton (from Unapproachable East). Personally, I never thought of those critters as being particularly Oriental in flavor. Add winged template to an advanced Hellhound or Nessian hound would work. If you really want a flying mount, a multi-headed winged Hellhound would be nasty -- some misbegotten offspring of Cerberus perhaps. Even a fiendish pegasus would work. Half-fiend unicorn or a chimera even an evil sphinx. Debby
Rickiel 04-16-07, 06:06 PM	Fiendish gryphon. Though you don't have to call it that. You can say it's a Dread Hawk of Hades! :)
MCage 04-16-07, 09:19 PM	There was a Dungeon Magazine A whiles back with a floating cloud of Giants that used half white dragon griffons, personally id like an evil (N)PC of uber blackness to ride on a nice white evil bird-dragon, good clash of scary
GoriceXII 04-17-07, 03:30 AM	How about cryosphinxes or manticores?
Warforged Goblin 04-17-07, 09:27 AM	Want a bad-ass, flying mount? I have two words for you: Winged. Hydra.
Cricket_God 04-17-07, 09:00 PM	Use Animate Dead to zombify a Very Young Red Dragon. The result is something like: Large Undead HP: 20d12+3 (133) Initiative: -1 Speed: 40ft, 150ft fly (clumsy) AC: 20 (-1 size, -1 dex, +12 natural), Touch 8, Flat Footed 10 BA/G: +10/+20 Attack: Bite +15 melee (2d6+6) Full Attack: Bite +15 melee (2d6+6) and 2 Claws +10 melee (1d8+3) and 2 Wings +10 melee (1d6+3) and Tail Slap +10 melee (1d8+9) Special Attacks: - Special Qualities: DR 5/slashing, single actions only Space/Reach: 10ft/5ft (10ft with bite) Saves: Fort +6, Reflex +6, Will +12 Abilities: Str 23, Dex 8, Con -, Int -, Wis 10, Cha 1 Skills: - Feats: Toughness CR: 6 Alignment: Neutral Evil It's big, fast, and (unlike a nightmare) not about to question you if you make a stupid decision and can't be forced to turn on you.
coomber 04-17-07, 09:53 PM	Someone kinda beat me to this (flying hydra) but get yourself a ten-headed shrieking terror for ultimate evilness! Plus, you'll be followed by sycophantic vargouilles wherever you go - and what sort of evil psycho doesn't want big flappy heads kissing his butt around the clock!?
Warforged Goblin 04-18-07, 08:28 AM	- and what sort of evil psycho doesn't want big flappy heads kissing his butt around the clock!? When those flapping heads have a "Kiss" attack. :D
coomber 04-18-07, 09:01 AM	When those flapping heads have a "Kiss" attack. :D Ahhh, but imagine how terrifying his blackguard will become when his butt breaks away in 4d6 hours and flies at his enemies!!!!
Echo_that_Pains 04-18-07, 09:30 AM	I can not recall if it flies or not, but the Black Unicorn (from the 3.0 Monster Compendium) is "favored" by evil knights. The only restriction is that you must be female to ride it. Also, there is an item in Savage Species called Horseshoes of Flame. 3/day a command word may be spoken which allows your mount to gain MAJOR bonuses to int/etc as well as gain fly and fire hooves just as a nightmare. The duration is like 7 hours or until dispelled so it can pretty much be used all day long. It only costs like 35,000 too so it would probably be in your price range. If you are unable to get/keep another creature, just slap some of these on your Fiendish Warhorse (from Blackguard feature) and viola - you have an INCREDIBLE flying mount!
Warforged Goblin 04-18-07, 11:08 AM	Ahhh, but imagine how terrifying his blackguard will become when his butt breaks away in 4d6 hours and flies at his enemies!!!! I think I've had taco bell that does the same thing... :thinks:
Darknight303 04-20-07, 09:07 AM	Use Animate Dead to zombify a Very Young Red Dragon. The result is something like: Large Undead HP: 20d12+3 (133) Initiative: -1 Speed: 40ft, 150ft fly (clumsy) AC: 20 (-1 size, -1 dex, +12 natural), Touch 8, Flat Footed 10 BA/G: +10/+20 Attack: Bite +15 melee (2d6+6) Full Attack: Bite +15 melee (2d6+6) and 2 Claws +10 melee (1d8+3) and 2 Wings +10 melee (1d6+3) and Tail Slap +10 melee (1d8+9) Special Attacks: - Special Qualities: DR 5/slashing, single actions only Space/Reach: 10ft/5ft (10ft with bite) Saves: Fort +6, Reflex +6, Will +12 Abilities: Str 23, Dex 8, Con -, Int -, Wis 10, Cha 1 Skills: - Feats: Toughness CR: 6 Alignment: Neutral Evil It's big, fast, and (unlike a nightmare) not about to question you if you make a stupid decision and can't be forced to turn on you. take that and throw the spellstitched template on it for the spells at caster lvl 20, the spell resistance, damage reduction, and esspecially the turning resistance because i dont even want to think about being a top a dragon when it runs away in fear for a minute see MM2 for template, might edit it in when i get home
Warforged Goblin 04-20-07, 11:44 AM	The updated version of the Spellstitched template is in either Complete Arcane, Libris Mortis, or both.
Dead_Weasel 04-20-07, 07:04 PM	Half-Fey slapped onto something evil, or Unseelie Fey slapped onto anything fast. Fiend Folio and the Dragon Compendium/Dragon #304, respectively. Because evil butterfly wings are pimp.