Feats for Monsters [Archive] - Wizards Community

Feats for Monsters [Archive] - Wizards Community

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wanderer3791
05-20-07, 03:04 PM I was looking at different stat blocks for animals/beasts from the MM and online and I am wondering why some have more feats than they seemingly should.

For example, the stats given for Guen (Drizzt's cat) at this link (http://ww2.wizards.com/Books/Wizards/?doc=fr_lonedrowstats) show that she has 5 feats:

1. Alertness
2. Improved Natural Attack (bite)
3. Improved Natural Attack (claw)
4. Multiattack
5. Weapon Finesse

I found this odd because she has 9HD (so feats at 1,3,6, and 9). Where does the fifth feat come from? At first I thought it wasn't an official stat block, but it is on the wizards site, so I wasn't sure if I had a mistake in my understanding. Do all magical extraplanar beasts get Alertness perhaps?

Thanks for any insight.
Gnarl
05-20-07, 04:29 PM A lot of animals have bonus racial feats: dogs, cats, rats, owls ...
wanderer3791
05-21-07, 09:29 AM Ahh.

Are these bonus feats listed anyplace? Would the "Cat" from the MM be the baseline for the larger cats?

Thanks.
Gnarl
05-21-07, 01:04 PM Ahh.

Are these bonus feats listed anyplace? Would the "Cat" from the MM be the baseline for the larger cats?

Thanks.

Normaly, these feats are marked with the letter B.

I'm not sure the cat is a good baseline for larger cats. Due to it's small HD, any feat is a bonus feat :D. But if you're the DM, feel free to add whatever feat seems appropriate for your cat, otherwise, well one or two feats such as Track or Alertness isn't unusual on animals so you might get away with it.
Derren S.
05-21-07, 01:07 PM I found this odd because she has 9HD (so feats at 1,3,6, and 9). Where does the fifth feat come from? At first I thought it wasn't an official stat block, but it is on the wizards site, so I wasn't sure if I had a mistake in my understanding. Do all magical extraplanar beasts get Alertness perhaps?

That are arbitrary additions which follow no rule at all.
Morwen
05-21-07, 01:42 PM Cats have Weapon Finesse as a bonus feat, which explains the extra feat.
Derren S.
05-21-07, 02:04 PM Except that Guen does not have Weapon Finesse.
Morwen
05-21-07, 04:55 PM Except that Guen does not have Weapon Finesse.

Ehm, yes, it actually does have Weapon Finesse:

Guenhwyvar: Female unique panther; CR 7; Medium magical beast (extraplanar); HD 9d10+36; hp 85; Init +6; Spd 40 ft., climb 20 ft.; AC 24, touch 16, flat-footed 18; Base Atk +9; Grp +13; Atk +15 melee (1d8+4, bite); Full Atk +15 melee (1d8+4, bite) and +13 melee (1d4+2, 2 claws); SA improved grab, magic strike, pounce, rake 1d4+2; SQ darkvision 60 ft., devotion, evasion, low-light vision, plane shift 2/day, scent, share spells, tricks; AL NG; SV Fort +10, Ref +12, Will +5; Str 19, Dex 22, Con 18, Int 5, Wis 15, Cha 9.

Skills and Feats: Balance +14, Climb +12, Hide +12, Jump +12, Listen +8, Move Silently +12, Spot +8; Alertness, Improved Natural Attack (bite), Improved Natural Attack (claw), Multiattack, Weapon Finesse.
Derren S.
05-22-07, 02:02 AM I totally missed that. Somehow I thought such bonus feats would be listed first, not last.
Throg
05-22-07, 10:39 AM I totally missed that. Somehow I thought such bonus feats would be listed first, not last.

I think they list feats alphabeticly in stat blocks... at least by the looks of it

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
wanderer3791 05-20-07, 03:04 PM	I was looking at different stat blocks for animals/beasts from the MM and online and I am wondering why some have more feats than they seemingly should. For example, the stats given for Guen (Drizzt's cat) at this link (http://ww2.wizards.com/Books/Wizards/?doc=fr_lonedrowstats) show that she has 5 feats: 1. Alertness 2. Improved Natural Attack (bite) 3. Improved Natural Attack (claw) 4. Multiattack 5. Weapon Finesse I found this odd because she has 9HD (so feats at 1,3,6, and 9). Where does the fifth feat come from? At first I thought it wasn't an official stat block, but it is on the wizards site, so I wasn't sure if I had a mistake in my understanding. Do all magical extraplanar beasts get Alertness perhaps? Thanks for any insight.
Gnarl 05-20-07, 04:29 PM	A lot of animals have bonus racial feats: dogs, cats, rats, owls ...
wanderer3791 05-21-07, 09:29 AM	Ahh. Are these bonus feats listed anyplace? Would the "Cat" from the MM be the baseline for the larger cats? Thanks.
Gnarl 05-21-07, 01:04 PM	Ahh. Are these bonus feats listed anyplace? Would the "Cat" from the MM be the baseline for the larger cats? Thanks. Normaly, these feats are marked with the letter B. I'm not sure the cat is a good baseline for larger cats. Due to it's small HD, any feat is a bonus feat :D. But if you're the DM, feel free to add whatever feat seems appropriate for your cat, otherwise, well one or two feats such as Track or Alertness isn't unusual on animals so you might get away with it.
Derren S. 05-21-07, 01:07 PM	I found this odd because she has 9HD (so feats at 1,3,6, and 9). Where does the fifth feat come from? At first I thought it wasn't an official stat block, but it is on the wizards site, so I wasn't sure if I had a mistake in my understanding. Do all magical extraplanar beasts get Alertness perhaps? That are arbitrary additions which follow no rule at all.
Morwen 05-21-07, 01:42 PM	Cats have Weapon Finesse as a bonus feat, which explains the extra feat.
Derren S. 05-21-07, 02:04 PM	Except that Guen does not have Weapon Finesse.
Morwen 05-21-07, 04:55 PM	Except that Guen does not have Weapon Finesse. Ehm, yes, it actually does have Weapon Finesse: Guenhwyvar: Female unique panther; CR 7; Medium magical beast (extraplanar); HD 9d10+36; hp 85; Init +6; Spd 40 ft., climb 20 ft.; AC 24, touch 16, flat-footed 18; Base Atk +9; Grp +13; Atk +15 melee (1d8+4, bite); Full Atk +15 melee (1d8+4, bite) and +13 melee (1d4+2, 2 claws); SA improved grab, magic strike, pounce, rake 1d4+2; SQ darkvision 60 ft., devotion, evasion, low-light vision, plane shift 2/day, scent, share spells, tricks; AL NG; SV Fort +10, Ref +12, Will +5; Str 19, Dex 22, Con 18, Int 5, Wis 15, Cha 9. Skills and Feats: Balance +14, Climb +12, Hide +12, Jump +12, Listen +8, Move Silently +12, Spot +8; Alertness, Improved Natural Attack (bite), Improved Natural Attack (claw), Multiattack, Weapon Finesse.
Derren S. 05-22-07, 02:02 AM	I totally missed that. Somehow I thought such bonus feats would be listed first, not last.
Throg 05-22-07, 10:39 AM	I totally missed that. Somehow I thought such bonus feats would be listed first, not last. I think they list feats alphabeticly in stat blocks... at least by the looks of it