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Incenjucar 10-14-03, 07:05 PM	Just for reference, for finding holes, and for finding parallels. Feel free to add any that I've missed, or offer a better 'use' descriptor. Fiend Align. Use Babau CE Recruiter Balor CE General Bebilith CE Culler Dretch CE Fodder Glabrezu CE Tempter (Power) Hezrou CE Recruiter Marilith CE Strategist Nalfeshnee CE Judge Retriever CE Retriever In/Succubus CE Tempter (Passion) Bar-Lgura CE Jungle Combat Chasme CE Torturer Manes CE Fodder Molydeus CE War Promoter Vrock CE Elite Combat, Aerial Nabassu CE Consumer of Mortals Rutterkin CE Outcast Wastrilith CE Aquatic Conqueror Alkilith CE Envoy, Agent, Assassin, Elite Bulezau CE Elite Combat, Melee Maurezhi CE Consumer of Mortals Armanite CE Melee Combat, Mercenary, Scavenger Goristro CE Siege Engine, Military Rallying Point Shadow Fiend CE Soul Harvester Klurichir CE General, Tactician Myrmyxicus CE Aquatic Ruler Skulvyn CE Aquatic Combat Jovoc CE Damage Reflector Palrethee CE Punished Form Jarilith CE Hunting Beast, Melee, Elite Kelvezu CE Infiltrator, Assassin Ghour CE Siege, Heavy Melee Yochlol CE Messenger, Ambassador Abishai LE Aerial Combat Amnizu LE Styx Guard Commander Hamatula LE Guardian, Patrol Troop Barbazu LE Melee Combat Osyloth LE Police Nupperibo LE Fodder Kyton LE Specialist Combat Erinyes LE Aerial Combat Bezekira LE Punished Form Cornugon LE Elite Defender, Aerial Gelugon LE Elite Melee Lemure LE Fodder Pit Fiend LE General Spinagon LE Messenger Kocrachon LE Torturer Ghargatula LE Guardians Paeliryon LE Information Gatherer Xerfilstyx LE Memory Thief Arcanaloth NE Sage, Mercenary Dergholoth NE Melee Combat, Mercenary Hydroloth NE Amphibious Combat, Melee, Mercenary Mezzoloth NE Melee Combat, Mercenary Nycaloth NE Observer, Reporter Piscoloth NE Army Sergeant, Overseer Ultraloth NE Ruler Yagnoloth NE Ruler Canoloth NE Scout, Skirmisher, Tracker Marraenoloth NE Styx Oarsman Baernaloth NE Creator, Sage Skereloth NE Fodder Farastu NE Servant, Laborer, Melee Combat Kelubar NE Diplomat Shator NE Ruler, Warden (infernals are abominations and only half-fiend)
Dackad 10-14-03, 09:39 PM	Ghour CE Siege, Tank, Heavy Melee Yochlol CE Message deliverer, Ambassador Both from Monsters of Faerun
The Gray 10-14-03, 10:12 PM	Did you purposefully leave out the demodands from the FF? They're fiends too, I'd assume. Farastu......NE..........Servants, laborers, soldiers Kelubar......NE..........Diplomats Shator........NE..........Nobles, Carceri wardens
Mordenkainen's Rubber Duck of DOOM 10-14-03, 10:18 PM	Infernal.....L/CE....Plotter, Schemer, Elite From ELH
Dackad 10-14-03, 10:45 PM	Also, I forgot one yugoloth. Skereloth NE Cowardly fodder It's from the FF
Incenjucar 10-14-03, 11:46 PM	List has been edited. I'm noticing two areas that haven't been covered: Stationary Guardians (Perhaps a fiendish dryad/treant thing, or something akin to a roper) Burrowers: Fiendish Umber Hulks must be very popular recruits.
Gez 10-15-03, 06:40 AM	Stationary Guardian: There is the Hellwarden in Legions of Hell. Not official D&D, of course, since published by Green Ronin. You may wish to look at this (http://www.enworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52692).
RhoxandRoll 10-15-03, 03:07 PM	Maybe you could tell what book they're from?
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 10-15-03, 03:08 PM	You missed the Water Lord. (Then again, it might be one of the other ones.)
Incenjucar 10-15-03, 04:04 PM	1) I'm trying to keep to D&D products. If we go in to 3rd party, it can get very long, and very obscure. 2) I'm pretty sure that the wastrilith is the water lord.
primemover003 10-15-03, 04:17 PM	Stationary Guardians: Viper Trees (tanar'ri) Maelephants (any) Guardian Yugoloth's (any)
Incenjucar 10-15-03, 04:30 PM	Viper trees are a very good point (and are, above all, my favorite sentient stationary entity), but I don't think they're actually tanar'ri.. I'll double check on it though. The 'phants aren't true fiends, as I recall.. and I've no idea what the official statement on the guardian loths, considering they're something of a construct breed. Perhaps a secondary list of "Non-Fiend Fiends" is in order?
primemover003 10-15-03, 04:50 PM	I never meant Viper trees were tanar'ri, just used primarily by them.
Incenjucar 10-15-03, 05:42 PM	*nods* Gotcha. Basically just an overall statement that stationary guardians are created by fiends, rather than fiends themselves. Which makes sense, I suppose. Now... are there any burrowing fiends I'm not noticing, or are fiendish umber hulks going to be highly prized?
The Gray 10-15-03, 07:52 PM	Originally posted by Incenjucar Viper trees are a very good point (and are, above all, my favorite sentient stationary entity), but I don't think they're actually tanar'ri.. I'll double check on it though. The 'phants aren't true fiends, as I recall.. and I've no idea what the official statement on the guardian loths, considering they're something of a construct breed. Perhaps a secondary list of "Non-Fiend Fiends" is in order? If a guardian yugoloth is the same thing as the 'guardian daemon' from the Tome of Horrors, then it's not a fiend but a neutral non-'loth outsider.
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 10-15-03, 09:07 PM	Really? The FF didn't call the Wastrilith a Tanar'ri.
Gez 10-16-03, 04:06 AM	Wastriliths aren't Tanar'ri, indeed. * Graps a pen and house-rule the 'lith back into tanar'riness* See, I have my "baaluth," yugoloth, gehreleth, "tanarlith," and they must conform to their family. Only exception allowed being Bebilith, since I' decided it means "eater-of-lith". By the way, has anyone noticed the Skulvyn can be summoned by another demon using "summon tanar'ri" and yet isn't a tanar'ri itself?
Incenjucar 10-16-03, 04:21 AM	Odd. Wastriliths were tanar'ri in 2e, while shadow demons were simply 'shadow fiends', and had no race group to which they belonged. Hrmn.
Mr.Waesel 10-16-03, 08:53 AM	could you, perhaps, put the source of the monsters behind it? Some of them sound cool, but I've no idea where they're from. P.S: Call non-fiend fiends "quasi-fiends" that sounds all 2e-ey
RhoxandRoll 10-16-03, 03:02 PM	Wastriliths had to be tanar'ri. They didn't use the name demon or devil back then.
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 10-16-03, 03:08 PM	Yacholoth from 2e Monstrous Compendium Annual 4.
Gez 10-16-03, 05:25 PM	Originally posted by Mr.Waesel could you, perhaps, put the source of the monsters behind it? Some of them sound cool, but I've no idea where they're from. 2e sources. Molydeus and vipertrees, for example, have not been converted to 3rd edition yet. Some of them have been converted only in third-party products (like the Nupperibo). Others are spread between the two Monster Manuals, the Monster Compendium: Monsters of Faerūn, the Fiend Folio, the Book of Vile Darkness, and the Manual of the Planes, plus one in the Psionics Handbook. MM CE: Dretch, Quasit, Succubus, Bebilith, Vrock, Hezrou, Glabrezu, Nelfeshnee, Marilith, Balor, (revised MM only: Babau); LE: Lemure, Imp, Osyluth, Kyton, Bezekira (Hellcat), Barbazu, Erinyes, Hamatula, Cornugon, Gelugon, Pit Fiend. MM2 CE: Abyssal Maw, Abyssal Skulker, Abyssal Ravager, Jovoc, Palrethee, Zovvut, Jarilith, Kelvezu; LE: Advespa, Amnizu, Malebranche, NE: Marraenoloth, Arcanoloth, Yagnoloth. MC:MOF CE: Abishai (Black, Blue, Green, Red, White), Ghour, Yochlol. FF: CE: Alkilith, Klurichir, Maurezhi, Myrmyxicus, Skulvyn, Wastrilith; LE: Paeliryon, Xerfilstyx; NE: Farastu, Kelubar, Shator; Piscoloth, Skeroloth. MOTP CE: Uridezu, Armanite, Goristro; LE: Spinagon, Narzugon; NE: Canoloth, Mezzoloth, Nycaloth, Ultroloth. BOVD CE: Mane, Rutterkin, Bar-Lgura, Babau, Shadow Demon, Chasme; LE: Kocrachon, Ghargatula. PH CE: Cerebrilith. There are lots of other fiends, but I have listed only those that belong to one of the "devil, daemon, demodand, & demon" categories. Because otherwise, the list would be much longer.
Raymond_Luxury_Yacht 10-16-03, 06:07 PM	There's the Raklupis + co. from 2e MC Annual 4.
Mr.Waesel 10-17-03, 08:01 AM	what's a demodand?
Dackad 10-17-03, 12:14 PM	Originally posted by Mr.Waesel what's a demodand? Gerheleths. The Fiends that inhabit Tartearus/Carceri.