Post/Author/DateTime	Post
PelorVsVecna 07-20-07, 07:12 PM	Can you be any class you want or is it the classes in the handbook?
Azzy 07-20-07, 08:38 PM	That depends solely upon the DM.
unundindur 07-21-07, 01:34 PM	In the OA book there is written a little bit about each class from the PHB, and I think a new GM for an OA campaing should read that and descide if he agrees with it or not. :)
narukagami 07-21-07, 01:43 PM	In the OA book there is written a little bit about each class from the PHB, and I think a new GM for an OA campaing should read that and descide if he agrees with it or not. :) Two things of note, 1) That blurb was written almost totally with Rokugan in mind. 2) Rokugan =/= OA. It is the featured campaign setting of the book, but it is not all that OA is. Not by a long shot. But yes, it is a good start as it does have good arguments as to why some settings might or might not have certain classes available, but overall, what classes you allow depends entirely on what your campaign setting is like, period.
AAB 07-21-07, 03:15 PM	By the way, has anyone ever had a bard in an OA setting? What flavor did they end up using? Can't think of a good one, myself.
geekmasterflash 07-21-07, 03:51 PM	By the way, has anyone ever had a bard in an OA setting? What flavor did they end up using? Can't think of a good one, myself. For Japanese themed games, I base my bards on Kabuki or Noe actors. Instead of songs, they simply act or dance to use the bard abilities. For others, I am not as well versed in their history. I am fairly sure you can find an parallel to a bard in any culture.
AAB 07-21-07, 03:54 PM	For Japanese themed games, I base my bards on Kabuki or Noe actors. Instead of songs, they simply act or dance to use the bard abilities. For others, I am not as well versed in their history. I am fairly sure you can find an parallel to a bard in any culture. Oh no. I just imagined an Peking Opera actor in full regalia going around with a Chinese-themed adventuring party. It made me giggle.
geekmasterflash 07-21-07, 03:58 PM	Oh no. I just imagined an Peking Opera actor in full regalia going around with a Chinese-themed adventuring party. It made me giggle. Considering some of the outfits that Chinese generals would wear, it might not be so hard to imagine...
AAB 07-21-07, 04:13 PM	http://www.dianying.com/images/moviepics/bwb1993.jpg Bard?! :P
geekmasterflash 07-21-07, 04:29 PM	http://www.dianying.com/images/moviepics/bwb1993.jpg Bard?! :P http://www.dargate.com/241_auction/241_images/1231.jpg http://img1.photographersdirect.com/img/8719/wm/pd392967.jpg http://www.aspencountry.com/assets/product_images/product_lib/36000-36999/36179.jpg Warrior?! :P
Dracomortis 07-21-07, 07:32 PM	By the way, has anyone ever had a bard in an OA setting? What flavor did they end up using? Can't think of a good one, myself. In Japan, there were individuals known as biwa hoshi that were essentially wandering minstrels who sang and played the biwa. Fits the bard role exactly*. *Biwa hoshi were commonly blind. However, there were still a lot who were not. For the sake of the players, assume they are of the latter group :D.
AAB 07-21-07, 08:40 PM	I don't know. I think I still like my Peking Opera bard better. :P On a side note - if you haven't already, go rent/buy Farewell My Concubine. Great movie.
Dracomortis 07-21-07, 08:55 PM	I don't know. I think I still like my Peking Opera bard better. :P I could totally see some huge guy in full samurai garb walking out on stage and then singing in a high-pitched voice. Not that I'd want to, but I could :D
AAB 07-22-07, 12:45 AM	I could totally see some huge guy in full samurai garb walking out on stage and then singing in a high-pitched voice. Not that I'd want to, but I could :D Hey, we're talking Peking Opera here, not Kabuki or Noh! Just kidding. We're all happy friends. :P
The_Shaman 07-24-07, 04:15 AM	There was an article about bringing some classes to OA, and it gave the suggestion that bards might be wandering monks. Not monks as in the kung-foolish base class, that is, but the social group.
Steely_Dan 07-24-07, 08:43 AM	In an Indian flavoured campaign, Bards translate to Fakirs.
Ranger REG 07-26-07, 03:07 AM	In an Indian flavoured campaign, Bards translate to Fakirs. Gawd, how many one-line jokes can I do with that word?
Steely_Dan 07-26-07, 03:44 AM	Gawd, how many one-line jokes can I do with that word? You know, I really hadn't thought of that until just now when I read this – damn you, you've ruined Indian bards for me! They could make a Bollywood film about the Fakirs… I found the title (fakir) in a 2nd edition Dragon magazine that had Indian flavoured kits and weapons.
Azzy 07-26-07, 06:43 AM	Gawd, how many one-line jokes can I do with that word? Yeah, the first thing I thought was to suggest that fakirs are the mother of all bards. If you hadn't said anything, I could've contained myself. :embarrass
The_Shaman 07-26-07, 08:15 AM	I suppose I'm missing something here...
Steely_Dan 07-26-07, 10:22 AM	I suppose I'm missing something here... Did you ever see or hear about that film Meet the Fockers?
The_Shaman 07-26-07, 10:52 AM	Hear of it, yes, but not see it. Ok then, I will add it to my list at some point.
HighPriestMikhal 07-26-07, 03:15 PM	I think it was in Meet the Parents that the joke was first made. I never saw Falkers, but it was a pretty good joke. How could Western classes (if any) fit into an OA campaign? Are paladins the social equals of samurai? How would shamans (the OA shaman, not the spirit shaman in CD) and druids react to each other? Would clerics and shugenja clash because they draw similar powers from wholly different sources? Would a cleric devoted to the elements or an elemental-based deity find more in common with shugenja than other classes?
heretic888 07-26-07, 03:56 PM	How could Western classes (if any) fit into an OA campaign? This is a somewhat loaded question, because most of the classes in D&D aren't particularly "Western" as opposed to "Eastern" (such as the Fighter, Rogue, Scout, Barbarian, and others). And the few that are (such as the Bard or Paladin) can simply be modified or reflavored to work as "Eastern" archetypes. As such, they should fit in an OA campaign just as easily as any other campaign. Are paladins the social equals of samurai? No. A samurai is a member of the warrior social caste, whereas a paladin is someone called to do good. A paladin could be part of any social caste. How would shamans (the OA shaman, not the spirit shaman in CD) react to each other? React to who?? Would clerics and shugenja clash because they draw similar powers from wholly different sources? No, because they don't necessarily. Would a cleric devoted to the elements or an elemental-based deity find more in common with shugenja than other classes? Probably.
HighPriestMikhal 07-26-07, 06:54 PM	React to who?? Whoops. I meant "react to druids?"
heretic888 07-26-07, 06:57 PM	Whoops. I meant "react to druids?" Hrm, I'd imagine they'd get along swimmingly. :P
Ranger REG 07-27-07, 02:41 AM	I suppose I'm missing something here... It's a joke on phonetic and wordplay. I don't mean to offend the Indian culture like I offend the Chinese culture and their "Hung Lo" personal name.
Steely_Dan 07-27-07, 06:24 AM	There was an article about bringing some classes to OA, and it gave the suggestion that bards might be wandering monks. Not monks as in the kung-foolish base class, that is, but the social group. Fuke sect?
The_Shaman 07-28-07, 12:22 PM	Not sure. Still, monk wandering around and begging for alms is a fairly widespread concept, and it is not that much different if they also use music or tales to loosen people's purses.
yetisithlord 07-31-07, 10:38 PM	I dont play Rokugan as being a part of any other world. Rokugan is its own realm. Only Classes and races from that book are allowed. I did convert some of the prestige classes like Deep Wood Sniper etc for the game and gave them and Oritntal flare and assigned them to certain clans to add flavor. I think making Rokugan part of other settings like the Realms takes away from the cultural significance of the OA setting.
Azzy 08-01-07, 09:04 AM	Actually, I'd argue that isolating an "oriental" setting (be it Rokugan or no) takes much more away from the cultural significance of the setting.
Steely_Dan 08-01-07, 10:22 AM	Actually, I'd argue that isolating an "oriental" setting (be it Rokugan or no) takes much more away from the cultural significance of the setting. Good point, what is light without dark and all that.
GuyrtheadamantineOne 08-07-07, 07:24 PM	A paladin wouldn't clash at all, since the "orphan/widow protecting warrior" seems to be universal. It's a wandering fighter with spiritual assistance.
Ranger REG 08-08-07, 02:32 AM	Actually, I'd argue that isolating an "oriental" setting (be it Rokugan or no) takes much more away from the cultural significance of the setting. Tell that to many of the L5R roleplayers. And to turn the table... Tell that to many D&D fans who play on mostly medieval Eurocentric settings.
Azzy 08-09-07, 06:45 AM	I will. I hate mono-cultural settings.
Ranger REG 08-10-07, 07:44 PM	I will. I hate mono-cultural settings. Be careful. You might offend British, who believe they have nothing common with the French.
The_Shaman 08-12-07, 04:54 PM	You have got to be kidding me.
Azzy 08-12-07, 09:59 PM	Be careful. You might offend British, who believe they have nothing common with the French. As someone with English and French ancestry (along with Portuguese, Scots-Irish, Huron & Cherokee), I feel no compunction against offending the British or the French (or anyone else for that matter). :D
Ranger REG 08-13-07, 02:16 AM	Wow, Azzy. They do have something in common (you). Not that I think it's a bad thing. In fact, I'm not even sure. :thinks: JK :P
Dracomortis 08-13-07, 09:59 AM	The British can go drink some bloody tea for all I care. The French...can do whatever it is French people do.
Hochiu 08-13-07, 10:06 AM	Be careful. You might offend British, who believe they have nothing common with the French. Actually, my ancestors fought against Bill the Bastard, we have documentation of it. So as far as I'm concerned, I have nothing in common with the French. :P
Azzy 08-13-07, 07:20 PM	Wow, Azzy. They do have something in common (you). That may fall under plausible deniability on the Brits' part. Not that I think it's a bad thing. In fact, I'm not even sure. :thinks: I'm sure it depends who you ask ;)
Azzy 08-13-07, 07:21 PM	Actually, my ancestors fought against Bill the Bastard, we have documentation of it. So as far as I'm concerned, I have nothing in common with the French. :P Bill wasn't French--he was just a Frenchified viking. :)
Hochiu 08-13-07, 09:50 PM	Bill wasn't French--he was just a Frenchified viking. :) Well, at that time, technically, neither were the French. He would be a Frankish Viking, then. :P. However, I thought that the Norman society was fairly well diversified from traditional Viking life, wasn't it? I study Viking history, but I generally don't care about what happens once they merge with another culture.
samuraiking 08-13-07, 11:14 PM	This is a somewhat loaded question, because most of the classes in D&D aren't particularly "Western" as opposed to "Eastern" (such as the Fighter, Rogue, Scout, Barbarian, and others). And the few that are (such as the Bard or Paladin) can simply be modified or reflavored to work as "Eastern" archetypes. As such, they should fit in an OA campaign just as easily as any other campaign. No. A samurai is a member of the warrior social caste, whereas a paladin is someone called to do good. A paladin could be part of any social caste. . But the model for paladin, the medieval knight was not that different from a samurai. Archibald Lewis wrote a book called "Knights and Samurai:Feudalism in Northern France and Japan" that was very interesting. Another great source of suprising information on Samurai is Karl Fridays article "Bushido or Bull? A Medieval Historian's Perspective on the Imperial Army and the Japanese Warrior Tradition". Stephen Morillo's article, "Cultures of Death: Warrior Suicide in Medieval Europe and Japan" also provides some helpful comparative analysis. For a really interesting article on how to run a more historical faithful game see CJ Grindley's "Arms and the Man: The Curious Inaccuracy of Medieval Arms and Armor in Contemporary Film."
Steely_Dan 08-14-07, 07:07 AM	Be careful. You might offend British, who believe they have nothing common with the French. The British Royal Family is the main connection between France, Germany, Holland and the UK.
heretic888 08-14-07, 11:40 AM	But the model for paladin, the medieval knight was not that different from a samurai. If you completely ignore the differences in cultural values, social structures, technological development, preferred armor and weapons, and emphases in martial training... then, yeah, sure. It is more correct to say that the social role fulfilled by both samurai and knight were not all that different (i.e., warrior-noble vassals with some vaguely defined code of conduct guiding them). But in terms of how they lived their lives, what hobbies and interests occupied their time, how they saw themselves and others, and especially how they fought, they were completely different.
The_Shaman 08-14-07, 03:19 PM	Heh, wait - what hobbies did pre-Tokugawa samurai have? IIRC the poetry fad came later, and I suppose drinking and wenching were two they had in common, at least :P
Professorpain 08-14-07, 08:29 PM	If you completely ignore the differences in cultural values, social structures, technological development, preferred armor and weapons, and emphases in martial training... then, yeah, sure. It is more correct to say that the social role fulfilled by both samurai and knight were not all that different (i.e., warrior-noble vassals with some vaguely defined code of conduct guiding them). But in terms of how they lived their lives, what hobbies and interests occupied their time, how they saw themselves and others, and especially how they fought, they were completely different. But you are just nitpicking his point. He is observing, as many have, that they are cultural analogues. Yes there are differences, but there are also important similarities. At the level of fine detail virtually any cultural comparison starts to break down. In fact I just assumed that samuraiking made the comparison because they indeed both are "warrior-noble vassals with some vaguely defined code of conduct guiding them". Not because they drank from the same kind of cup or wore the precisely the same undergarments. I just want to draw your attention to the fact that your post is rather snarky, despite the fact that samuraiking made no innacurate factual claim about the history of anything asian (it has been pointed out by many on this board to me that you guys only get snarky when someone comes in and maintains an outrageously unfactual position about asian culture or history). Samuraiking's post was quite general, and made no specific factual claims. In fact he just referenced a number of respected historians who felt the similarities were important enough to be noted in an essay or book. All he said was that paladins and samurai "were not that different". Still you pounced on him like a lion in heat.
samuraiking 08-14-07, 08:55 PM	If you completely ignore the differences in cultural values, social structures, technological development, preferred armor and weapons, and emphases in martial training... then, yeah, sure. It is more correct to say that the social role fulfilled by both samurai and knight were not all that different (i.e., warrior-noble vassals with some vaguely defined code of conduct guiding them). But in terms of how they lived their lives, what hobbies and interests occupied their time, how they saw themselves and others, and especially how they fought, they were completely different. Are you serious? Bankers in italy drink espresso, bankers in the USA drink maxwell house, that doesn't mean they are dissimilar. The only thing that matters is samurai and knights both had codes and were warriors who owed allegiance.
Ecalsneerg 08-14-07, 09:06 PM	The British can go drink some bloody tea for all I care. The French...can do whatever it is French people do. Actually, the English drink tea, the Scots drink whisky. Wales flip a coin. :P
narukagami 08-14-07, 09:26 PM	I just want to draw your attention to the fact that your post is rather snarky, despite the fact that samuraiking made no innacurate factual claim about the history of anything asian (it has been pointed out by many on this board to me that you guys only get snarky when someone comes in and maintains an outrageously unfactual position about asian culture or history). Samuraiking's post was quite general, and made no specific factual claims. In fact he just referenced a number of respected historians who felt the similarities were important enough to be noted in an essay or book. All he said was that paladins and samurai "were not that different". Still you pounced on him like a lion in heat. There was a study on perceived tone in electronic text. You should read up on the findings. http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb06/egos.html http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/02/70179 http://faculty.chicagogsb.edu/nicholas.epley/Krugeretal05.pdf "People in our study were convinced they’ve accurately understood the tone of an e-mail message when in fact their odds are no better than chance,” says Epley.
Hochiu 08-14-07, 11:33 PM	But you are just nitpicking his point. He is observing, as many have, that they are cultural analogues. Yes there are differences, but there are also important similarities. At the level of fine detail virtually any cultural comparison starts to break down. In fact I just assumed that samuraiking made the comparison because they indeed both are "warrior-noble vassals with some vaguely defined code of conduct guiding them". Not because they drank from the same kind of cup or wore the precisely the same undergarments. I just want to draw your attention to the fact that your post is rather snarky, despite the fact that samuraiking made no innacurate factual claim about the history of anything asian (it has been pointed out by many on this board to me that you guys only get snarky when someone comes in and maintains an outrageously unfactual position about asian culture or history). Samuraiking's post was quite general, and made no specific factual claims. In fact he just referenced a number of respected historians who felt the similarities were important enough to be noted in an essay or book. All he said was that paladins and samurai "were not that different". Still you pounced on him like a lion in heat. Oh for... Just stop. Seriously. You're not the inflection police. You're not better than us, sitting on some kind of high chair and capable of passing judgement. Heretic's post was not snarky. Period. You need to step back, take a deep breath, and walk away from the forums for a while if you're this sensitive to perceived emotions. Samuraiking's statement was generalized and overexaggerated and, if taken at face value, would have prompted uninformed readers to believe that the European knight and the Japanese samurai were largely similar. Heretic's "snarky" post cleared its context up. Samuraiking made no actual note of ONLY a cultural connection between the two types of individuals, but provided only a slew of articles or book titles with no direct clarification as to why. And the fact that the historians were noted in a "book" or an "article" means nothing. As a student of history, one is expected to publish discourses through academic journals, and anyone with a PHD is generally expected to publish at least a single book. Trust me, just because they have a book doesn't mean they're well respected, or believed, at any rate. Niel Falkner (spelling, can't be bothered to go dig up his book right now) takes a neo-Marxist approach at the history of Roman Britain, including making claims that the cities of Roman Britain were nothing more than "parasites driven by elitist aristocrats" that "ruined the economy of Roman Britain". In his interpretation, he's right. Historically? No. He's not, but it didn't stop him from being published. But seriously? Stop trying to call out perceived snarkiness because of other threads on the fourm. Its bad form, and is considered trolling. Calling out his snarkiness is not adding to the post at all, especially when you call it out just because you perceive it because you WANT to see it.
Professorpain 08-15-07, 01:13 AM	Oh for... Just stop. Seriously. You're not the inflection police. You're not better than us, sitting on some kind of high chair and capable of passing judgement. Heretic's post was not snarky. Period. You need to step back, take a deep breath, and walk away from the forums for a while if you're this sensitive to perceived emotions. Samuraiking's statement was generalized and overexaggerated and, if taken at face value, would have prompted uninformed readers to believe that the European knight and the Japanese samurai were largely similar. Heretic's "snarky" post cleared its context up. Samuraiking made no actual note of ONLY a cultural connection between the two types of individuals, but provided only a slew of articles or book titles with no direct clarification as to why. And the fact that the historians were noted in a "book" or an "article" means nothing. As a student of history, one is expected to publish discourses through academic journals, and anyone with a PHD is generally expected to publish at least a single book. Trust me, just because they have a book doesn't mean they're well respected, or believed, at any rate. Niel Falkner (spelling, can't be bothered to go dig up his book right now) takes a neo-Marxist approach at the history of Roman Britain, including making claims that the cities of Roman Britain were nothing more than "parasites driven by elitist aristocrats" that "ruined the economy of Roman Britain". In his interpretation, he's right. Historically? No. He's not, but it didn't stop him from being published. But seriously? Stop trying to call out perceived snarkiness because of other threads on the fourm. Its bad form, and is considered trolling. Calling out his snarkiness is not adding to the post at all, especially when you call it out just because you perceive it because you WANT to see it. You are only adding to my vault of evidence that this is indeed the most snarky board on the wizards site. FYI only a fool would come away from samurai's post with your interpretation. If anything Heretic's post was needlessly pedantic (a common theme on this board by the way), and enormously irritating to read. By the way, it is a a true statement to say that the samurai and the european knights were similar. Heretic even noted there is a basic similiarity. But to say that two things are similar is not the same thing as saying they are identical. Most people recognize this immediately. There was no need for heretic to lob a snarky post samurai's way. It is outside of my area, but it is my understanding that comparative analysis between european knights and samurai is fairly common among medievalists. I have a friend who's dissertation was on this very subject. It is also my understanding that many of the historians who take note of similarities (and differences as well) between the two, are respected in their field. I could be wrong. Anyways speaking as an academic who also is expected to publish, the one thing that is worth noting is peer review. In order for the historians samurai mentioned to be published, their work would have to be peer reviewed. While that does not mean that their analysis must conform to the generally accepted view by historians, it does mean that their basic factual information should be accurate (or at least traceable to a reliable source). Of course peer review is not perfect, but it does mean that the list of texts samurai presented are probably more reliable than non-university press material.
Hochiu 08-15-07, 01:20 AM	You are only adding to my vault of evidence that this is indeed the most snarky board on the wizards site. FYI only a fool would come away from samurai's post with your interpretation. If anything Heretic's post was needlessly pedantic (a common theme on this board by the way), and enormously irritating to read. Then I'm sorry. Your puffed-up, egotistical, wolf-crying drama-queen self has been nothing but a damned problem since the day you showed up here, and frankly I'm sick of it. I've tried to be civil, and I've tried to take your posts for actual intelligent conversation and discourse, but I've finally gotten it that its a lesson of futility. I'm tired of your blatant disrespect and your own pedantic, obtuse sense of intelligence. So you know what? Screw your vault of "evidence". You only found what you're looking for because you're specifically looking for it. Heretic's post might be irritating to read, but it's certainly a hell of a lot more comfortable to deal with than your bloated, over-inflated sense of self is.
Professorpain 08-15-07, 01:24 AM	There was a study on perceived tone in electronic text. You should read up on the findings. http://www.apa.org/monitor/feb06/egos.html http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/02/70179 http://faculty.chicagogsb.edu/nicholas.epley/Krugeretal05.pdf Yes but I think in this case, the tone is as clear as a bell.
narukagami 08-15-07, 01:25 AM	Yes but I think in this case, the tone is as clear as a bell. Thats exactly what the research is talking about. Its only clear as a bell to you, because you convinced yourself it is, regardless of what the writer's original intent may or may not be.
Professorpain 08-15-07, 01:29 AM	Thats exactly what the research is talking about. Its only clear as a bell to you, because you convinced yourself it is. Well just because there are cases of people misinterpreting emails, that does not mean heretic didn't intend to be snarky. Perhaps you are the one reading it the way you want to. Its all very grammatology-like and interesting. But I think I have enough command of the english language to navigate my way through electronic message boards. It is still english afterall. If we are all just reading the tone we want, then we are not even really communicating at all. Just signifiers signifying signifiers etc, etc.
Professorpain 08-15-07, 01:32 AM	Then I'm sorry. Your puffed-up, egotistical, wolf-crying drama-queen self has been nothing but a damned problem since the day you showed up here, and frankly I'm sick of it. I've tried to be civil, and I've tried to take your posts for actual intelligent conversation and discourse, but I've finally gotten it that its a lesson of futility. I'm tired of your blatant disrespect and your own pedantic, obtuse sense of intelligence. So you know what? Screw your vault of "evidence". You only found what you're looking for because you're specifically looking for it. Heretic's post might be irritating to read, but it's certainly a hell of a lot more comfortable to deal with than your bloated, over-inflated sense of self is. If thats how you really feel. But I think your conclusion about my post, and me, is incorrect.
WizO_Mengde 08-15-07, 01:33 AM	Ok everyone... deep breaths... count to ten... and let's keep the insults holstered mmkay?
narukagami 08-15-07, 01:34 AM	Well just because there are cases of people misinterpreting emails, that does not mean heretic didn't intend to be snarky. Perhaps you are the one reading it the way you want to. Its all very grammatology-like and interesting. But I think I have enough command of the english language to navigate my way through electronic message boards. It is still english afterall. If we are all just reading the tone we want, then we are not even really communicating at all. Just signifiers signifying signifiers etc, etc. Your post smacks of egocentrism.
Professorpain 08-15-07, 01:36 AM	Your post smacks of egocentrism. I do not think so.
narukagami 08-15-07, 01:37 AM	I do not think so. Of course you don't. ;)
samuraiking 08-15-07, 01:38 AM	I feel like a jerk for saying this but: Can't we all just get along?
narukagami 08-15-07, 01:39 AM	I feel like a jerk for saying this but: Can't we all just get along? Don't feel like a jerk, you're absolutely right.
Professorpain 08-15-07, 01:43 AM	Of course you don't. ;) I am sorry I can't understand you. Your text is being muffled by the metaphysics of presence.
Steely_Dan 08-15-07, 06:40 AM	Can't we all just get along? Unfortunately that rarely happens in the OA forum… There are several regular posters in this forum that make it really unpleasant for everyone else.
Azzy 08-15-07, 11:21 AM	Well, at that time, technically, neither were the French. He would be a Frankish Viking, then. :P. However, I thought that the Norman society was fairly well diversified from traditional Viking life, wasn't it? I study Viking history, but I generally don't care about what happens once they merge with another culture. Which they do with disturbing ease (where ever they go)--it's like they hate their own culture. ;) "Hey, now that we're out of the confines of Scandinavia, let's go native!" And why of why did this thread go serious? I was enjoying the silliness.
Hochiu 08-15-07, 12:01 PM	Which they do with disturbing ease (where ever they go)--it's like they hate their own culture. ;) "Hey, now that we're out of the confines of Scandinavia, let's go native!" And why of why did this thread go serious? I was enjoying the silliness. Well, when you sire as many half-breed children as they did...it's kind of difficult to not take on some characteristics of the local life, though they seemed to remain fairly well insulated from being absorbed into Irish culture. :P
Azzy 08-15-07, 12:04 PM	Well, when you sire as many half-breed children as they did...it's kind of difficult to not take on some characteristics of the local life, though they seemed to remain fairly well insulated from being absorbed into Irish culture. :P I think that says more about the Irish! :D
Hochiu 08-15-07, 12:07 PM	Heheh. Brian Boru is one of my favorite historical figures, actually. I have an interest in the Vikings in Ireland because I have a sneaking suspicion that I'm descended from the Viking-Irish halfbreed.
samuraiking 08-15-07, 05:25 PM	Heheh. Brian Boru is one of my favorite historical figures, actually. I have an interest in the Vikings in Ireland because I have a sneaking suspicion that I'm descended from the Viking-Irish halfbreed. Who is Brian Boru? If you don't mind me asking.
Hochiu 08-15-07, 05:33 PM	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Boru :)