Names for classes in other Asian languages [Archive] - Wizards Community

Names for classes in other Asian languages [Archive] - Wizards Community

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TraverseTravis
09-04-07, 02:26 PM I'm trying to gather names for D&D classes in other languages as part of the Game Glossaries described here (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=13606610&postcount=1). I remember in the back of 3E's OA, there was a little list of equivalent class names in other Asian languages (like Kshatriya for Samurai?) Also, did OA give Japanese names for the Core classes (such as Bushi for Fighter)? Would someone list those?

Travis
Professorpain
09-09-07, 11:14 PM I'm trying to gather names for D&D classes in other languages as part of the Game Glossaries described here (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=13606610&postcount=1). I remember in the back of 3E's OA, there was a little list of equivalent class names in other Asian languages (like Kshatriya for Samurai?) Also, did OA give Japanese names for the Core classes (such as Bushi for Fighter)? Would someone list those?

Travis

Creric (cleric)
Paradin (paladin)
Erf (elf)
Count Arioch the 28th
09-10-07, 12:36 AM Not cool.
Professorpain
09-10-07, 12:37 AM Not cool.

Tam mai?
Mai ben rai. Sabai Sabai.

Come on. My wife is Thai, and that is how she talks. If we can't laugh at each other how are we ever going to have world peace.
Count Arioch the 28th
09-10-07, 12:48 AM Somehow, I don't believe you have a thai wife.
Professorpain
09-10-07, 12:50 AM Somehow, I don't believe you have a thai wife.

Yes I do. i have mentioned it many times before on other threads. She is the reason I can speak thai.
narukagami
09-10-07, 04:33 PM Well, I thought it was funny...

Tongue in cheek as the intention may be, we still have to be careful with that sort of humor else the WizOs come down on us. Despite the fact blatant anti-Asian sentiments run unchecked on other sections of the boards that shall not be named. :rolleyes:
Rogue Elendae
09-10-07, 05:30 PM Hm...I don't know if there was any sort of listing for the core classes (or races,for that matter) in OA, but I'm willing to hazard a few guesses with what little I know of Japanese (this isn't exactly the sort of thing my grandmother taught me, after all ^_^)

As far as most of the races go, I don't think there's any equivalent for them in OA; they're just there. At that, there's no real terms I could apply to them from Japanese...the closest would be an "Engrish" translation, which would translate things like "Elf" into "Erufu," like the original name for the Yugioh Duel Monsters card "Celtic Guardian," which was called "Erufu no Kenshin"...in other words, Elf Swordsman, in Japanese. Dwarves are already somewhat portrayed as the Korobokur (I think), though that's more like an alternate version of them for the setting.

As for classes, Clerics might be considered as "Miko" if female, or "Houshi" if male...though I have also heard the term "Bozou" used in similar fashion (though it was typically insulting...in the "Saiyuki" anime, Gojyo often calls Sanzo "namagusa bozou" as an insult, which is supposed to mean something like "dirty/fake priest" or something). The first means priestess, while I've heard the latter two used to describe wandering priests, and in most anime they are portrayed as having semi-mystical powers. Hence, Clerics.

I doubt Rogue would quite translate, though there's terms like "Dorobou," which means "Bandit" (as taken from "Jing: King of Bandits"...the title character is referred to as "O-dorobou"), or "Kaitou," which is most commonly translated as "Phantom Thief," and typically refers to more cat-burglar type characters, often with some form of supernatural talents. Either one of these might be useful.

Barbarian, Ranger, and Druid I don't have a clue how to translate, and I'm not really sure how one might go about coming up with a concise term for Bard. Monk is also difficult, since I doubt that the term for monk is synonymous with "ki-wielding martial artist," nor is there really a term for that, to my knowledge. The terms that typically apply to martial artists, to my knowledge, tend to be specific to their art--"kendoka," "karateka," "judoka," etc.

Wizard and Sorcerer would likely fall under similar labels...things like "Mahou-jin" (literally, Magic Person) or something similar might be likely, though the OA books use Wu-Jen and Shugenja as their casters, and seem to replace standard casters with them...so I don't really know which way to go here.

Fighter can be described as "Bushi," though I've also heard terms like "Kensai/Kensei" applied. I believe it roughly translates to "Swordsman" or "Sword Master," but I'm not sure so don't quote me on this.

Lastly, I think the best bet for Paladin might be something like "Shiroi Kishi" or "Hikari Kishi" which would translate to "White Knight" and "Light Knight" respectively, I think. I know that the terms "Ryu-Kishi" and "Ankoku-Kishi" were used in FF4 to describe the professions of the characters Kain Highwind (Dragoon) and Cecil Harvey (Dark/Black Knight) in the beginning, but I don't remember what they called Cecil when he became a Paladin. And I'm not sure what the translation is for a word like "Holy," so I couldn't be sure if that wouldn't be the more precise word.

Like I said, don't take these as gospel, or anything. My Japanese is sketchy at best, mostly half-remembered things my grandma taught me when I was little, or things gleaned from subtitled anime. I'm just throwing out approximations I've heard before, and think might be passingly correct/appropriate.
CaptKillern
09-10-07, 10:22 PM My wife is Indonesian, I lived in Indonesia for 4.5 years... The problem is some terms have become blurred because of movies and TV shows that have become popular. Add to that the Indonesian love of adding words to their own language and it gets really confusing.

For Example, Vampire. I am sure there is an Indonesian word for it, but the only one my wife knows is... vampire. She pronounces it Vampeer but same thing... Others I am iffy about as Fairy is Peri pronounced Pur ee.

My wife is Muslim, but any monster or evil creature that does not have a name is Satan... pronounced Shy tan.

Also because Indonesia was heavily influenced by Hinduism, then Islam, then occupied by the dutch, then briefly by the japanese I dont know how much that influenced the language.

I have noticed so words that are similar to Spanish (which I am guessing is the Dutch influence)

Example:
Spanish Indonesian
Mesa Meja
Fiesta pesta
Zepato Zepatu

Anyway...
Because of the Muslim influence, most Arabic terms for warriors and such would apply to Indonesian warriors and such as well.

Kesatria or satria = warrior
Thakowsaizmu
09-12-07, 12:33 AM If you want some Chinese ones, there is always "Dwalf, Logue, Balbalian, hehehe..." Seliousry though
Barbarian: 野蠻人 yě mán rén
Bard: 詩人 shī rén (also means Poet)
Cleric: 神職人員 shén zhí rén yuán
Fighter: 戰士 zhàn shì
Monk: 武術家 wŭshù jiā
Rogue: 流氓 liú máng (also Hoodlum)
Sorcerer: 妖人 yāo rén
Wizard: 男巫 nán wū (Nan means male or man)

Also, because we seem to like to talk about this, she isn't my Wife yet, but she is Polish. She has these crazy ideas about sausage and screen doors on submarines.
Professorpain
09-12-07, 12:46 AM If you want some Chinese ones, there is always "Dwalf, Logue, Balbalian, hehehe..." Seliousry though
Barbarian: 野蠻人 yě mán rén
Bard: 詩人 shī rén (also means Poet)
Cleric: 神職人員 shén zhí rén yuán
Fighter: 戰士 zhàn shì
Monk: 武術家 wŭshù jiā
Rogue: 流氓 liú máng (also Hoodlum)
Sorcerer: 妖人 yāo rén
Wizard: 男巫 nán wū (Nan means male or man)

Also, because we seem to like to talk about this, she isn't my Wife yet, but she is Polish. She has these crazy ideas about sausage and screen doors on submarines.

You forgot the racial modifiers for chinese characters' skills:

Operate Vehicle -4
Knowledge (math) +4
Thakowsaizmu
09-12-07, 01:08 AM You forgot the racial modifiers for chinese characters' skills:

Operate Vehicle -4
Knowledge (math) +4
Hahah! Awesome!
TraverseTravis
09-14-07, 01:25 PM I'm willing to hazard a few guesses with what little I know of Japanese

Thanks Rogue Elendae!

Travis
Ghauldin
09-15-07, 03:57 AM Others I am iffy about as Fairy is Peri pronounced Pur ee.

The Turkish nations that live closer to asia use the word "perishte", the ones that live in middle east use the word "peri".so I think perishte is the original word and peri is the arabified bastardization.

Can someone else verify this for a less afflicted asian language?
LordofNightmares
09-15-07, 06:46 AM >snip<Bozou>snip<

Are you sure its bozou and not bozu?
Bozu is an anti-honorific used for annoying children. It means onion-head.
Ghauldin
09-16-07, 04:34 PM bozou bouzu and bozu are all read very similarly. Which is frequently used for puns.
Rogue Elendae
09-16-07, 05:03 PM Are you sure its bozou and not bozu?
Bozu is an anti-honorific used for annoying children. It means onion-head.

bozou bouzu and bozu are all read very similarly. Which is frequently used for puns.

Not to mention, the term I've heard was directly pronounced like "bozo" with a slightly drawn-out ending "O" (hence the "ou" spelling). "Bozu," as it is used to refer to a child as a brat or otherwise as a sarcastic term (not really so much an anti-honorific as a mocking term of endearment, the way I've heard it...not like calling a kid "gaki") is more of a "zoo" at the end, rather than "zoh"

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
TraverseTravis 09-04-07, 02:26 PM	I'm trying to gather names for D&D classes in other languages as part of the Game Glossaries described here (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=13606610&postcount=1). I remember in the back of 3E's OA, there was a little list of equivalent class names in other Asian languages (like Kshatriya for Samurai?) Also, did OA give Japanese names for the Core classes (such as Bushi for Fighter)? Would someone list those? Travis
Professorpain 09-09-07, 11:14 PM	I'm trying to gather names for D&D classes in other languages as part of the Game Glossaries described here (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=13606610&postcount=1). I remember in the back of 3E's OA, there was a little list of equivalent class names in other Asian languages (like Kshatriya for Samurai?) Also, did OA give Japanese names for the Core classes (such as Bushi for Fighter)? Would someone list those? Travis Creric (cleric) Paradin (paladin) Erf (elf)
Count Arioch the 28th 09-10-07, 12:36 AM	Not cool.
Professorpain 09-10-07, 12:37 AM	Not cool. Tam mai? Mai ben rai. Sabai Sabai. Come on. My wife is Thai, and that is how she talks. If we can't laugh at each other how are we ever going to have world peace.
Count Arioch the 28th 09-10-07, 12:48 AM	Somehow, I don't believe you have a thai wife.
Professorpain 09-10-07, 12:50 AM	Somehow, I don't believe you have a thai wife. Yes I do. i have mentioned it many times before on other threads. She is the reason I can speak thai.
narukagami 09-10-07, 04:33 PM	Well, I thought it was funny... Tongue in cheek as the intention may be, we still have to be careful with that sort of humor else the WizOs come down on us. Despite the fact blatant anti-Asian sentiments run unchecked on other sections of the boards that shall not be named. :rolleyes:
Rogue Elendae 09-10-07, 05:30 PM	Hm...I don't know if there was any sort of listing for the core classes (or races,for that matter) in OA, but I'm willing to hazard a few guesses with what little I know of Japanese (this isn't exactly the sort of thing my grandmother taught me, after all ^_^) As far as most of the races go, I don't think there's any equivalent for them in OA; they're just there. At that, there's no real terms I could apply to them from Japanese...the closest would be an "Engrish" translation, which would translate things like "Elf" into "Erufu," like the original name for the Yugioh Duel Monsters card "Celtic Guardian," which was called "Erufu no Kenshin"...in other words, Elf Swordsman, in Japanese. Dwarves are already somewhat portrayed as the Korobokur (I think), though that's more like an alternate version of them for the setting. As for classes, Clerics might be considered as "Miko" if female, or "Houshi" if male...though I have also heard the term "Bozou" used in similar fashion (though it was typically insulting...in the "Saiyuki" anime, Gojyo often calls Sanzo "namagusa bozou" as an insult, which is supposed to mean something like "dirty/fake priest" or something). The first means priestess, while I've heard the latter two used to describe wandering priests, and in most anime they are portrayed as having semi-mystical powers. Hence, Clerics. I doubt Rogue would quite translate, though there's terms like "Dorobou," which means "Bandit" (as taken from "Jing: King of Bandits"...the title character is referred to as "O-dorobou"), or "Kaitou," which is most commonly translated as "Phantom Thief," and typically refers to more cat-burglar type characters, often with some form of supernatural talents. Either one of these might be useful. Barbarian, Ranger, and Druid I don't have a clue how to translate, and I'm not really sure how one might go about coming up with a concise term for Bard. Monk is also difficult, since I doubt that the term for monk is synonymous with "ki-wielding martial artist," nor is there really a term for that, to my knowledge. The terms that typically apply to martial artists, to my knowledge, tend to be specific to their art--"kendoka," "karateka," "judoka," etc. Wizard and Sorcerer would likely fall under similar labels...things like "Mahou-jin" (literally, Magic Person) or something similar might be likely, though the OA books use Wu-Jen and Shugenja as their casters, and seem to replace standard casters with them...so I don't really know which way to go here. Fighter can be described as "Bushi," though I've also heard terms like "Kensai/Kensei" applied. I believe it roughly translates to "Swordsman" or "Sword Master," but I'm not sure so don't quote me on this. Lastly, I think the best bet for Paladin might be something like "Shiroi Kishi" or "Hikari Kishi" which would translate to "White Knight" and "Light Knight" respectively, I think. I know that the terms "Ryu-Kishi" and "Ankoku-Kishi" were used in FF4 to describe the professions of the characters Kain Highwind (Dragoon) and Cecil Harvey (Dark/Black Knight) in the beginning, but I don't remember what they called Cecil when he became a Paladin. And I'm not sure what the translation is for a word like "Holy," so I couldn't be sure if that wouldn't be the more precise word. Like I said, don't take these as gospel, or anything. My Japanese is sketchy at best, mostly half-remembered things my grandma taught me when I was little, or things gleaned from subtitled anime. I'm just throwing out approximations I've heard before, and think might be passingly correct/appropriate.
CaptKillern 09-10-07, 10:22 PM	My wife is Indonesian, I lived in Indonesia for 4.5 years... The problem is some terms have become blurred because of movies and TV shows that have become popular. Add to that the Indonesian love of adding words to their own language and it gets really confusing. For Example, Vampire. I am sure there is an Indonesian word for it, but the only one my wife knows is... vampire. She pronounces it Vampeer but same thing... Others I am iffy about as Fairy is Peri pronounced Pur ee. My wife is Muslim, but any monster or evil creature that does not have a name is Satan... pronounced Shy tan. Also because Indonesia was heavily influenced by Hinduism, then Islam, then occupied by the dutch, then briefly by the japanese I dont know how much that influenced the language. I have noticed so words that are similar to Spanish (which I am guessing is the Dutch influence) Example: Spanish Indonesian Mesa Meja Fiesta pesta Zepato Zepatu Anyway... Because of the Muslim influence, most Arabic terms for warriors and such would apply to Indonesian warriors and such as well. Kesatria or satria = warrior
Thakowsaizmu 09-12-07, 12:33 AM	If you want some Chinese ones, there is always "Dwalf, Logue, Balbalian, hehehe..." Seliousry though Barbarian: 野蠻人 yě mán rén Bard: 詩人 shī rén (also means Poet) Cleric: 神職人員 shén zhí rén yuán Fighter: 戰士 zhàn shì Monk: 武術家 wŭshù jiā Rogue: 流氓 liú máng (also Hoodlum) Sorcerer: 妖人 yāo rén Wizard: 男巫 nán wū (Nan means male or man) Also, because we seem to like to talk about this, she isn't my Wife yet, but she is Polish. She has these crazy ideas about sausage and screen doors on submarines.
Professorpain 09-12-07, 12:46 AM	If you want some Chinese ones, there is always "Dwalf, Logue, Balbalian, hehehe..." Seliousry though Barbarian: 野蠻人 yě mán rén Bard: 詩人 shī rén (also means Poet) Cleric: 神職人員 shén zhí rén yuán Fighter: 戰士 zhàn shì Monk: 武術家 wŭshù jiā Rogue: 流氓 liú máng (also Hoodlum) Sorcerer: 妖人 yāo rén Wizard: 男巫 nán wū (Nan means male or man) Also, because we seem to like to talk about this, she isn't my Wife yet, but she is Polish. She has these crazy ideas about sausage and screen doors on submarines. You forgot the racial modifiers for chinese characters' skills: Operate Vehicle -4 Knowledge (math) +4
Thakowsaizmu 09-12-07, 01:08 AM	You forgot the racial modifiers for chinese characters' skills: Operate Vehicle -4 Knowledge (math) +4 Hahah! Awesome!
TraverseTravis 09-14-07, 01:25 PM	I'm willing to hazard a few guesses with what little I know of Japanese Thanks Rogue Elendae! Travis
Ghauldin 09-15-07, 03:57 AM	Others I am iffy about as Fairy is Peri pronounced Pur ee. The Turkish nations that live closer to asia use the word "perishte", the ones that live in middle east use the word "peri".so I think perishte is the original word and peri is the arabified bastardization. Can someone else verify this for a less afflicted asian language?
LordofNightmares 09-15-07, 06:46 AM	>snip<Bozou>snip< Are you sure its bozou and not bozu? Bozu is an anti-honorific used for annoying children. It means onion-head.
Ghauldin 09-16-07, 04:34 PM	bozou bouzu and bozu are all read very similarly. Which is frequently used for puns.
Rogue Elendae 09-16-07, 05:03 PM	Are you sure its bozou and not bozu? Bozu is an anti-honorific used for annoying children. It means onion-head. bozou bouzu and bozu are all read very similarly. Which is frequently used for puns. Not to mention, the term I've heard was directly pronounced like "bozo" with a slightly drawn-out ending "O" (hence the "ou" spelling). "Bozu," as it is used to refer to a child as a brat or otherwise as a sarcastic term (not really so much an anti-honorific as a mocking term of endearment, the way I've heard it...not like calling a kid "gaki") is more of a "zoo" at the end, rather than "zoh"