Abjurant Champion; Mass Mage Armor [Archive] - Wizards Community

Abjurant Champion; Mass Mage Armor [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Selgard
01-28-08, 03:00 PM Greetings!

I can't seem to get the Search function to work, so if the answer to this is easily found there, then I apologize.

I assume the answer to this is No, but just figured i'd poll the collective wisdom of the boards.

Abjurant Champion gets class level to abjuration effects that grant armor bonuses.

Mass Mage Armor grants an armor bonus.

the AbC gets the class bonus for himself, but would the others who get the spell receive the bonus as well?
Again- I assume No.. but i figured i'd ask.

-S
wonlee76
01-28-08, 03:03 PM Depends on whether Mass Mage Armor is an abjuration spell or not. I believe Mage Armor is a conjuration spell. So I'm presuming Mass Mage Armor is also conjuration. As such, Mage Armor and Mass Mage Armor does not get the benefit of the Abjurant Champion ability.

See the Complete Mage errata that clarifies this issue.
Selgard
01-28-08, 05:35 PM As a side note-

i find it interesting that they would errata the class in such way as is counter to nearly every DM i've talked to about it.

ahh well.

Thanks for the input :)

guess more mages need to go research Abjuration based armor spells.
calronmoonflower
01-28-08, 06:25 PM guess more mages need to go research Abjuration based armor spells.

No kidding. I think their is two such spells. One is divine only. :weep:
Jaxgaret
01-28-08, 06:58 PM As a side note-

i find it interesting that they would errata the class in such way as is counter to nearly every DM i've talked to about it.

ahh well.

Thanks for the input :)

guess more mages need to go research Abjuration based armor spells.

For the record, I am one DM who does not rule counter to the errata, and have done so since I first encountered the Abjurant Champion and this question about Mage Armor + Abjurant Armor.
dman11235
01-28-08, 07:44 PM So Jax, you don't allow it to affect mage armor? Good, neither do I.

Those abj spells that grant an armor bonus: Luminous and Greater Luminous Armor from BoED.
Jaxgaret
01-28-08, 09:06 PM So Jax, you don't allow it to affect mage armor?

Correct.

Good, neither do I.

Huzzah.

Those abj spells that grant an armor bonus: Luminous and Greater Luminous Armor from BoED.

Here are some other spells that work with Abjurant Armor:

-repelling shield (CM)
-deflect & lesser deflect (PHB2)
-ectoplasmic armor (SC)
RobbyPants
01-30-08, 10:42 AM So Jax, you don't allow it to affect mage armor? Good, neither do I.
Neither do I.

Realistically, in addition to full BAB and casting and d10 hit dice, they can cast Shield for +9 AC as a swift action! That's plenty good. They don't need it on mage armor too.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Selgard 01-28-08, 03:00 PM	Greetings! I can't seem to get the Search function to work, so if the answer to this is easily found there, then I apologize. I assume the answer to this is No, but just figured i'd poll the collective wisdom of the boards. Abjurant Champion gets class level to abjuration effects that grant armor bonuses. Mass Mage Armor grants an armor bonus. the AbC gets the class bonus for himself, but would the others who get the spell receive the bonus as well? Again- I assume No.. but i figured i'd ask. -S
wonlee76 01-28-08, 03:03 PM	Depends on whether Mass Mage Armor is an abjuration spell or not. I believe Mage Armor is a conjuration spell. So I'm presuming Mass Mage Armor is also conjuration. As such, Mage Armor and Mass Mage Armor does not get the benefit of the Abjurant Champion ability. See the Complete Mage errata that clarifies this issue.
Selgard 01-28-08, 05:35 PM	As a side note- i find it interesting that they would errata the class in such way as is counter to nearly every DM i've talked to about it. ahh well. Thanks for the input :) guess more mages need to go research Abjuration based armor spells.
calronmoonflower 01-28-08, 06:25 PM	guess more mages need to go research Abjuration based armor spells. No kidding. I think their is two such spells. One is divine only. :weep:
Jaxgaret 01-28-08, 06:58 PM	As a side note- i find it interesting that they would errata the class in such way as is counter to nearly every DM i've talked to about it. ahh well. Thanks for the input :) guess more mages need to go research Abjuration based armor spells. For the record, I am one DM who does not rule counter to the errata, and have done so since I first encountered the Abjurant Champion and this question about Mage Armor + Abjurant Armor.
dman11235 01-28-08, 07:44 PM	So Jax, you don't allow it to affect mage armor? Good, neither do I. Those abj spells that grant an armor bonus: Luminous and Greater Luminous Armor from BoED.
Jaxgaret 01-28-08, 09:06 PM	So Jax, you don't allow it to affect mage armor? Correct. Good, neither do I. Huzzah. Those abj spells that grant an armor bonus: Luminous and Greater Luminous Armor from BoED. Here are some other spells that work with Abjurant Armor: -repelling shield (CM) -deflect & lesser deflect (PHB2) -ectoplasmic armor (SC)
RobbyPants 01-30-08, 10:42 AM	So Jax, you don't allow it to affect mage armor? Good, neither do I. Neither do I. Realistically, in addition to full BAB and casting and d10 hit dice, they can cast Shield for +9 AC as a swift action! That's plenty good. They don't need it on mage armor too.