Chameleon Help [Archive] - Wizards Community

Chameleon Help [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Kabaris
03-02-07, 10:48 PM Ok here's the deal I'm running my first game and I'm not really the greatest with juggling the rules yet.

I have a player who is playing a Chameleon. Now I didn't review the PRC very much when he started playing but now that the party is level 10 this character seems on the verge of becoming overpowering. That all being said I have 2 questions I'd like to pose.

1) Does the player get the number of spells per day for each focus he takes or are the spells per day set and the player has to split them between the arcane and devine focus traits?

2) The Races of Destiny book says "You gain the ability to to prepare and cast arcane/divine spells, which may be chosen from the spell list of any arcane/divine spellcasting class." My player is saying that means he can pick any spell from any class each day for the focus he chooses. To me it says you can pick any spell from the list of a spell casting feat. The fact that in the rules it says "list" and "class" and those words are in the singular tense that makes me think this. Can the player pick spells from multiple class lists or not?

Thanks for your help.

Kabaris
General_Ridley
03-02-07, 11:07 PM when he focuses he has to spend the requisite hour to prepare the spells. At 10th level in the class, he can effectively use that entire block of spells 3/day (refocusing and then taking the hour of preparation).

he gets that block of spells/day for each focus.

divine focus requires him to stick to any divine spells, no arcane spells.

arcane focus requires him to have a spellbook, which can hold spells of any arcane class (although, the spellbook is full of gibberish, somehow he actually has access to any arcane spells he somehow got access to).

I may be a bit wrong with the second point.
Seerow
03-02-07, 11:10 PM Yeah, you've pretty much got it right. Chameleon is one of the most broken PrCs I know of. Probably somewhere below the tier of Planar Shepard, but only because it doesn't TOTALLY break the game.

Just do every elses job better than them.
Kabaris
03-02-07, 11:21 PM So is it a well known thing that this is a broken PRC?
Metamagick
03-03-07, 10:52 AM I dont think the PrC is broken. If used correctly (by both DM and player) it can be a great but no overpowering class.

:::Metamagick:::
Rutibex
03-03-07, 11:13 AM Ok, this class isn't broken by a long shot. You say you're level 10? That means that your Chameleon can cast up to 4th level spells (assumeing a bonus spell of that level).

A Wizard of similar level can cast 3 4th level spells (unlike 0) and 2 5th level spells. Make it level 11 and there is an even bigger differance. Now the Wizard has 6th level spells and the Chameleon is just getting his first real 4th level one.

A differance of two spell levels is huge.
CantripN
03-03-07, 11:35 AM It's one of the ways to be versatile without sucking horribly. That doesn't make it broken. It's not very good at anything in particular, it's just mediocre+ at everything.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Kabaris 03-02-07, 10:48 PM	Ok here's the deal I'm running my first game and I'm not really the greatest with juggling the rules yet. I have a player who is playing a Chameleon. Now I didn't review the PRC very much when he started playing but now that the party is level 10 this character seems on the verge of becoming overpowering. That all being said I have 2 questions I'd like to pose. 1) Does the player get the number of spells per day for each focus he takes or are the spells per day set and the player has to split them between the arcane and devine focus traits? 2) The Races of Destiny book says "You gain the ability to to prepare and cast arcane/divine spells, which may be chosen from the spell list of any arcane/divine spellcasting class." My player is saying that means he can pick any spell from any class each day for the focus he chooses. To me it says you can pick any spell from the list of a spell casting feat. The fact that in the rules it says "list" and "class" and those words are in the singular tense that makes me think this. Can the player pick spells from multiple class lists or not? Thanks for your help. Kabaris
General_Ridley 03-02-07, 11:07 PM	when he focuses he has to spend the requisite hour to prepare the spells. At 10th level in the class, he can effectively use that entire block of spells 3/day (refocusing and then taking the hour of preparation). he gets that block of spells/day for each focus. divine focus requires him to stick to any divine spells, no arcane spells. arcane focus requires him to have a spellbook, which can hold spells of any arcane class (although, the spellbook is full of gibberish, somehow he actually has access to any arcane spells he somehow got access to). I may be a bit wrong with the second point.
Seerow 03-02-07, 11:10 PM	Yeah, you've pretty much got it right. Chameleon is one of the most broken PrCs I know of. Probably somewhere below the tier of Planar Shepard, but only because it doesn't TOTALLY break the game. Just do every elses job better than them.
Kabaris 03-02-07, 11:21 PM	So is it a well known thing that this is a broken PRC?
Metamagick 03-03-07, 10:52 AM	I dont think the PrC is broken. If used correctly (by both DM and player) it can be a great but no overpowering class. :::Metamagick:::
Rutibex 03-03-07, 11:13 AM	Ok, this class isn't broken by a long shot. You say you're level 10? That means that your Chameleon can cast up to 4th level spells (assumeing a bonus spell of that level). A Wizard of similar level can cast 3 4th level spells (unlike 0) and 2 5th level spells. Make it level 11 and there is an even bigger differance. Now the Wizard has 6th level spells and the Chameleon is just getting his first real 4th level one. A differance of two spell levels is huge.
CantripN 03-03-07, 11:35 AM	It's one of the ways to be versatile without sucking horribly. That doesn't make it broken. It's not very good at anything in particular, it's just mediocre+ at everything.