Deepwarden Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

Deepwarden Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Arminel
11-15-07, 03:48 PM As far as their second level ability, Stone Warden, is mentioned, you now gain your Con modifier to your AC instead of your Dex modifier. In theory, armor doesn't have a maximum AC bonus based on Con, but it does have one based on Dex. So if you tank your Dex (say 8) but crank up your Con (for elite stats, say 15, modified to 17 as a dwarf, and 18 by the time you get Stone Warden), you could wear Full Plate Armor (normally +8 AC, +1 Max Dex Bonus) and gain +8 AC from the armor and +4 AC from your Con bonus.

I can see the argument both ways, and did a search of the boards to no avail.
LSMFT
11-15-07, 03:55 PM To the best of my knowledge, though it has been a while since I searched, there is no official answer to this.

That said: It is up to your DM!
No other answer is correct unless it comes with documentation.

MY OPINION is that you are using one modifier in the place of another modifier.
That place is the Dex spot. There is no such thing as a Con bonus to AC. This is still a Dex bonus, you just use your Con modifier.

So, it is a Dex bonus and can be capped by armor like all other Dex bonuses.
Cartigan
11-15-07, 04:50 PM Greyhawk rules say Armor restrictions apply, of course that is Greyhawk.
1 ton ghost
11-16-07, 03:44 PM i'd be inclined to cap it too. it's just too damn good.
a friend used this to terrific effect and i should've looked it over, but alas, no.
even raging, his AC didn't change at all; yes, AC goes down, but Con goes up to maintain the balance. then there's all the buffs...
it just go so power-gamed i began to employ more Will saves on him.
Garonak
11-18-07, 03:42 PM I don't really see the problem in allowing full con to all armors. It's one of the perks in taking this class. Some classes get better combat prowess, some get better spellcasting, some get other abilities, this one gets higher AC. Compare it to Martial Adepts or high lvl monks, the difference isn't that big.
tomersss
11-18-07, 04:00 PM what book is this deepwarden in?
bobothechimp
11-18-07, 10:53 PM Races of Stone
Bopple
11-19-07, 09:21 PM According to Sage Advice or FAQ(I can't remember which it was), the max Dex bonus limit also applies to Con.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Arminel 11-15-07, 03:48 PM	As far as their second level ability, Stone Warden, is mentioned, you now gain your Con modifier to your AC instead of your Dex modifier. In theory, armor doesn't have a maximum AC bonus based on Con, but it does have one based on Dex. So if you tank your Dex (say 8) but crank up your Con (for elite stats, say 15, modified to 17 as a dwarf, and 18 by the time you get Stone Warden), you could wear Full Plate Armor (normally +8 AC, +1 Max Dex Bonus) and gain +8 AC from the armor and +4 AC from your Con bonus. I can see the argument both ways, and did a search of the boards to no avail.
LSMFT 11-15-07, 03:55 PM	To the best of my knowledge, though it has been a while since I searched, there is no official answer to this. That said: It is up to your DM! No other answer is correct unless it comes with documentation. MY OPINION is that you are using one modifier in the place of another modifier. That place is the Dex spot. There is no such thing as a Con bonus to AC. This is still a Dex bonus, you just use your Con modifier. So, it is a Dex bonus and can be capped by armor like all other Dex bonuses.
Cartigan 11-15-07, 04:50 PM	Greyhawk rules say Armor restrictions apply, of course that is Greyhawk.
1 ton ghost 11-16-07, 03:44 PM	i'd be inclined to cap it too. it's just too damn good. a friend used this to terrific effect and i should've looked it over, but alas, no. even raging, his AC didn't change at all; yes, AC goes down, but Con goes up to maintain the balance. then there's all the buffs... it just go so power-gamed i began to employ more Will saves on him.
Garonak 11-18-07, 03:42 PM	I don't really see the problem in allowing full con to all armors. It's one of the perks in taking this class. Some classes get better combat prowess, some get better spellcasting, some get other abilities, this one gets higher AC. Compare it to Martial Adepts or high lvl monks, the difference isn't that big.
tomersss 11-18-07, 04:00 PM	what book is this deepwarden in?
bobothechimp 11-18-07, 10:53 PM	Races of Stone
Bopple 11-19-07, 09:21 PM	According to Sage Advice or FAQ(I can't remember which it was), the max Dex bonus limit also applies to Con.