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xyric 08-08-07, 04:03 PM	Question in the title. DM guide says the cast like bards but since the entry that bards receive no ASF from light armor is under the "armor" section and not the "spells" section, I figured that assassins do get ASF from light armor. Can someone clarify for me?
Tuah 08-08-07, 05:19 PM	Since a bard's ability to cast spells is not hindered by armor, that is a part of a bard's casting abilities. So no, Assassins don't get Arcane Spell Failure from light armor.
xyric 08-08-07, 06:50 PM	But a bard's armor proficiency prevents the ASF, not its spellcasting description. Assassin gains no special armor proficiency so I'm not sure I understand your position.
Tuah 08-08-07, 07:03 PM	Though the prevention of ASF is listed in proficiency, it's still a factor that goes into spellcasting. Otherwise, wouldn't it say "as a sorcerer"?
xyric 08-08-07, 07:18 PM	good point. thanks :)
Khatoblepas 08-08-07, 07:36 PM	An assassin casts spells just as a bard does. A bard casts arcane spells, which are drawn from the bard spell list. He can cast any spell he knows without preparing it ahead of time. Every bard spell has a verbal component (singing, reciting, or music). o/` AND IIIIIII----EEEE--IIIII, AM GONNA KILL YOooooOOOOO o/` Assassins have to do a performance in order to cast their spells, by RAW, too. But we let that one slide. >>
xyric 08-08-07, 07:39 PM	LOL, actually, one of the other characters in our party is a bard and we use glibness all the time (somatic only). We realized this inconsistency so he busted out his 70 dollar Q_Q 30th anniversary PH. That line has been changed to "most bard spells."
Jaxgaret 08-08-07, 10:00 PM	A bard casts arcane spells, which are drawn from the bard spell list. He can cast any spell he knows without preparing it ahead of time. Every bard spell has a verbal component (singing, reciting, or music). All bard spells have a somatic component. Assassin spells are, by definition, not Bard spells, and thus do not have to have a verbal component.
runestar 08-10-07, 08:29 AM	All bard spells have a somatic component. Assassin spells are, by definition, not Bard spells, and thus do not have to have a verbal component. However, all the assassin spells, save for glibness, have a verbal component anyways. I believe that the part about singing is purely flavour (meaning that you are not any more advantaged or disadvantaged regardless of whether you sing to cast your spell or use mundane verbal components - they would still incur similar restrictions). The only real issue that comes to mind is whether you can apply the silent spell feat to your assassin spells, since by definition, bard spells cannot be silenced (they must have a verbal component).
Jaxgaret 08-10-07, 01:18 PM	The only real issue that comes to mind is whether you can apply the silent spell feat to your assassin spells, since by definition, bard spells cannot be silenced (they must have a verbal component). Correct. It is my contention that the Silent Spell metamagic feat can indeed be applied to Assassin spells, but not Bard spells.