How to fit Mindbender in my build? [Archive] - Wizards Community

How to fit Mindbender in my build? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Symeon_Quykk
10-09-07, 10:01 AM Hello,
I'm playing around trying to make a good summoner build. After reading about the Mindbender PrC, I would love to fit one level into my build to get the telepathy ability to communicate w/ my summoned creatures w/o the enemy knowing my intentions.

Now, the tricky part. My main plan was to make a focused specialist conjurer (banning evocation, enchantment, and necromancy). In order to get into Mindbender, I have to somehow be able to cast charm person or use it as a spell-like ability or invocation. Any idea how to get access to a spell in a banned school?

My original build before reading about Mindbender is:

Focused Conjurer 3/ Master Specialist 4/ Malconvoker 5/ Master Specialist 6/Archmage 2

I'd probably drop a level of Archmage in favor of Mindbender, if I could somehow get access to it.

Help?

Thanks in advance!
Averroes
10-09-07, 10:08 AM Just change your prohibited schools to something other than Enchantment?

I know personally I don't like going into so many classes. I would just to a summoner, with Evocation and Necro prohibited. Take the Augumented summoning and become a mind bender. Having a constant pet is really handy.
Just be Wizard 5 or6(I don't know the exact prereqs)/ mindbender.
But I have no idea what level your looking at playing.
Puca
10-09-07, 11:22 AM Yeah, Averros has the most logical solution.
There are ways to get the Charm Person spell, but they involve taking levels in other classes, e.g. one level of sorcerer or several levels of warlock, or playing a race with SLAs (and hence an LA.)

Neither of those seem particularly viable for your build, especially as you are already losing out on a caster-level with Malconvoker. (Though a level of sorcerer wouldnt necessarily be totally horrible. It would at least make Bluff a class-skill, and thats a prereq for malconvoker. You could also use scrolls and wands from all schools. Not normally worth a caster-level in your wizard class, but hey, maybe, if you want Mindbender badly enough.)

Personally, I think speaking to your summoned creatures in celestial, infernal, abyssal is going to make it difficult for most opponents to follow the conversation. Depending on the campaign.
Averroes
10-09-07, 12:09 PM Another thought.
If you’re going to take the Mindbender and be able to telepathically communicate with anything, you really want enchantment. One of the biggest problems enchanters have is that they can't speak the same language as ALL their enemies. With that handy-dandy-telepathic link, spells like Suggestion become a whole lot better.

Enchantment is one of my personal favorite schools; the mindbender class just makes it gravy.
Symeon_Quykk
10-09-07, 04:37 PM I guess I was looking for any alternative ways of just getting that one spell (charm person) w/o removing enchantment from my list of prohibited schools. I mostly picked the schools I did because they didn't fit the concept of the character I wanted to make.
Marcus Majarra
10-11-07, 06:27 AM Closest I found was to take both Fey Heritage and Fey Legacy, from the Complete Mage. Fey Legacy lets you use charm monster once per day as a spell-like ability. It's not quite charm person, but it can do all this spell can and to better effect.

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Symeon_Quykk 10-09-07, 10:01 AM	Hello, I'm playing around trying to make a good summoner build. After reading about the Mindbender PrC, I would love to fit one level into my build to get the telepathy ability to communicate w/ my summoned creatures w/o the enemy knowing my intentions. Now, the tricky part. My main plan was to make a focused specialist conjurer (banning evocation, enchantment, and necromancy). In order to get into Mindbender, I have to somehow be able to cast charm person or use it as a spell-like ability or invocation. Any idea how to get access to a spell in a banned school? My original build before reading about Mindbender is: Focused Conjurer 3/ Master Specialist 4/ Malconvoker 5/ Master Specialist 6/Archmage 2 I'd probably drop a level of Archmage in favor of Mindbender, if I could somehow get access to it. Help? Thanks in advance!
Averroes 10-09-07, 10:08 AM	Just change your prohibited schools to something other than Enchantment? I know personally I don't like going into so many classes. I would just to a summoner, with Evocation and Necro prohibited. Take the Augumented summoning and become a mind bender. Having a constant pet is really handy. Just be Wizard 5 or6(I don't know the exact prereqs)/ mindbender. But I have no idea what level your looking at playing.
Puca 10-09-07, 11:22 AM	Yeah, Averros has the most logical solution. There are ways to get the Charm Person spell, but they involve taking levels in other classes, e.g. one level of sorcerer or several levels of warlock, or playing a race with SLAs (and hence an LA.) Neither of those seem particularly viable for your build, especially as you are already losing out on a caster-level with Malconvoker. (Though a level of sorcerer wouldnt necessarily be totally horrible. It would at least make Bluff a class-skill, and thats a prereq for malconvoker. You could also use scrolls and wands from all schools. Not normally worth a caster-level in your wizard class, but hey, maybe, if you want Mindbender badly enough.) Personally, I think speaking to your summoned creatures in celestial, infernal, abyssal is going to make it difficult for most opponents to follow the conversation. Depending on the campaign.
Averroes 10-09-07, 12:09 PM	Another thought. If you’re going to take the Mindbender and be able to telepathically communicate with anything, you really want enchantment. One of the biggest problems enchanters have is that they can't speak the same language as ALL their enemies. With that handy-dandy-telepathic link, spells like Suggestion become a whole lot better. Enchantment is one of my personal favorite schools; the mindbender class just makes it gravy.
Symeon_Quykk 10-09-07, 04:37 PM	I guess I was looking for any alternative ways of just getting that one spell (charm person) w/o removing enchantment from my list of prohibited schools. I mostly picked the schools I did because they didn't fit the concept of the character I wanted to make.
Marcus Majarra 10-11-07, 06:27 AM	Closest I found was to take both Fey Heritage and Fey Legacy, from the Complete Mage. Fey Legacy lets you use charm monster once per day as a spell-like ability. It's not quite charm person, but it can do all this spell can and to better effect.