Is the Telflammar Shadowlord (FR) worth it? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Is the Telflammar Shadowlord (FR) worth it? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Nicholas the Paladin
02-26-07, 09:12 AM Is the Telflammar Shadowlord (FR) worth it?
(it's from Unapproachable East, FR)

and can it be combined with Swordsage and Rogue?

While not really that impressive, I think the Telflammar Shadowlord is really cool thematically. I can imagine him shadowstepping in and out and using his sneackattack ability ( I assume this 'shadowjump' prevents opponents to use their Dex).

But the downside is it's *steep* prerequisites.
- must have 4 feats (effectively blindfight and spring attack)
- be able to 'shadow jump' (can a Swordsage do that through 'Shadow Hand' maneuvers?).

besides that it doens't give any Sneackattack progress, but leans heavily on it's unique shadow-abilities (which are really good ).

I like the idea, but am wondering if it's worth it.
runestar
02-26-07, 09:15 AM Shadowjump ability can be acquired with the shadow template in the same book. The benefits it offers are just too good for the LA+1 penalty it confers.
DarknessEternal
02-26-07, 09:31 AM Any class that gets 3 full attacks a round is probably worth it.
The_Shaman
02-26-07, 10:22 AM It can also be nice in conjunction with another Death Attack class for better DC of the ability. I think it's quite okay, to be honest - arguably, it's better than shadowdancer. As for its spellcasting, have you noticed the spell list? I think it's quite nice, to be honest. Not even bards have such ALDI versions of higher level spells - I don't think there's even 1 spell that is at the same level wizards or clerics get it :D .
Nicholas the Paladin
02-26-07, 10:47 AM Any class that gets 3 full attacks a round is probably worth it.
3 full attacks ??....please explain

It can also be nice in conjunction with another Death Attack class for better DC of the ability. I think it's quite okay, to be honest - arguably, it's better than shadowdancer. that's not very hard, since the shadowdancer is not all that good.
runestar
02-26-07, 11:09 AM 3 full attacks ??....please explain
It grants shadow pounce, does it not?:)
Nicholas the Paladin
02-26-07, 11:31 AM Shadowjump ability can be acquired with the shadow template in the same book. The benefits it offers are just too good for the LA+1 penalty it confers.
the 'Shadow walker' template is realy realy good for the +1 LA. It's crazy good. It's too bad you need yo worship Mask in order to get it.
Nicholas the Paladin
02-26-07, 11:33 AM It grants shadow pounce, does it not?:) I still don't see how it grants 3 FULL attacks a round ;)
NoldorForce
02-26-07, 12:47 PM I don't recall what the recommended abilities are, but the gist of this is that you teleport three times using your move, standard, and swift actions to do so. The ability to pull this combination off multiple times per day is the reason why Teflammar Shadowlord is generally considered one of the stronger prestige classes.
runestar
02-26-07, 10:44 PM I still don't see how it grants 3 FULL attacks a round
Reply With Quote
You know what we mean...:D
Chimaera2000
02-27-07, 02:43 PM Teflemmar Shadowlord is solid, but I prefer the lower prerequisites and earlier entry of the Crinti Shadow Marauder (Shining South). The abilities it grants aren't as strong as those of the Shadowlord, but who cares when it gets Shadow Pounce?
The_Shaman
02-27-07, 05:18 PM CSM is a great class, and I have thought about extending it to 10 lvls (PM me if you're interested), but it's a bit on the weak side. Medium BAB, 2 levels of sudden strike, and you can't do much unmounted... Definitely cool in terms of story, but somewhat lackluster mechanically.
Aminvelos
02-27-07, 11:29 PM Let me elaborate, at the 4th lvl of Telflammar Shadowlord learns to use shadow pounce which allows him to make a full attack after whenever he jumps into a shadow and comes out another. This means you an technically make a full attack everytime you teleport using a shadow jump-type ability.

Although this makes you limited by your movement because I'm quite sure it takes 10 feet of movement to teleport ( no matter the distance) so u move 10 feet full attack 20 feet full attack (spring attack, shadow pounce) then somehow u can probably move again with something else which would allow u to shadow jump in the right situation.

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Nicholas the Paladin 02-26-07, 09:12 AM	Is the Telflammar Shadowlord (FR) worth it? (it's from Unapproachable East, FR) and can it be combined with Swordsage and Rogue? While not really that impressive, I think the Telflammar Shadowlord is really cool thematically. I can imagine him shadowstepping in and out and using his sneackattack ability ( I assume this 'shadowjump' prevents opponents to use their Dex). But the downside is it's steep prerequisites. - must have 4 feats (effectively blindfight and spring attack) - be able to 'shadow jump' (can a Swordsage do that through 'Shadow Hand' maneuvers?). besides that it doens't give any Sneackattack progress, but leans heavily on it's unique shadow-abilities (which are really good ). I like the idea, but am wondering if it's worth it.
runestar 02-26-07, 09:15 AM	Shadowjump ability can be acquired with the shadow template in the same book. The benefits it offers are just too good for the LA+1 penalty it confers.
DarknessEternal 02-26-07, 09:31 AM	Any class that gets 3 full attacks a round is probably worth it.
The_Shaman 02-26-07, 10:22 AM	It can also be nice in conjunction with another Death Attack class for better DC of the ability. I think it's quite okay, to be honest - arguably, it's better than shadowdancer. As for its spellcasting, have you noticed the spell list? I think it's quite nice, to be honest. Not even bards have such ALDI versions of higher level spells - I don't think there's even 1 spell that is at the same level wizards or clerics get it :D .
Nicholas the Paladin 02-26-07, 10:47 AM	Any class that gets 3 full attacks a round is probably worth it. 3 full attacks ??....please explain It can also be nice in conjunction with another Death Attack class for better DC of the ability. I think it's quite okay, to be honest - arguably, it's better than shadowdancer. that's not very hard, since the shadowdancer is not all that good.
runestar 02-26-07, 11:09 AM	3 full attacks ??....please explain It grants shadow pounce, does it not?:)
Nicholas the Paladin 02-26-07, 11:31 AM	Shadowjump ability can be acquired with the shadow template in the same book. The benefits it offers are just too good for the LA+1 penalty it confers. the 'Shadow walker' template is realy realy good for the +1 LA. It's crazy good. It's too bad you need yo worship Mask in order to get it.
Nicholas the Paladin 02-26-07, 11:33 AM	It grants shadow pounce, does it not?:) I still don't see how it grants 3 FULL attacks a round ;)
NoldorForce 02-26-07, 12:47 PM	I don't recall what the recommended abilities are, but the gist of this is that you teleport three times using your move, standard, and swift actions to do so. The ability to pull this combination off multiple times per day is the reason why Teflammar Shadowlord is generally considered one of the stronger prestige classes.
runestar 02-26-07, 10:44 PM	I still don't see how it grants 3 FULL attacks a round Reply With Quote You know what we mean...:D
Chimaera2000 02-27-07, 02:43 PM	Teflemmar Shadowlord is solid, but I prefer the lower prerequisites and earlier entry of the Crinti Shadow Marauder (Shining South). The abilities it grants aren't as strong as those of the Shadowlord, but who cares when it gets Shadow Pounce?
The_Shaman 02-27-07, 05:18 PM	CSM is a great class, and I have thought about extending it to 10 lvls (PM me if you're interested), but it's a bit on the weak side. Medium BAB, 2 levels of sudden strike, and you can't do much unmounted... Definitely cool in terms of story, but somewhat lackluster mechanically.
Aminvelos 02-27-07, 11:29 PM	Let me elaborate, at the 4th lvl of Telflammar Shadowlord learns to use shadow pounce which allows him to make a full attack after whenever he jumps into a shadow and comes out another. This means you an technically make a full attack everytime you teleport using a shadow jump-type ability. Although this makes you limited by your movement because I'm quite sure it takes 10 feet of movement to teleport ( no matter the distance) so u move 10 feet full attack 20 feet full attack (spring attack, shadow pounce) then somehow u can probably move again with something else which would allow u to shadow jump in the right situation.