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heinrich 03-02-08, 06:02 PM	The topic sais it all? In intrested in gaining more Bardic Music and Bardic Knowledge, Skills would be nice. And Casterlevel in both classes, if possible. HP and Turn Undead arn't that important.... Is there something like that, or something that goes that way ?
StevenO 03-02-08, 06:16 PM	Loremaster may be close in theory.
JaronK 03-03-08, 01:29 AM	Cloistered Clerics are basically Clerics with Bardic Knowledge (no music though). They're in UA. JaronK
DonThelonious 03-03-08, 01:55 AM	I don't think there really is a PrC for combining clerics with bards. This fact surprises me greatly, given the strong ties between music and most religions in the RW. I think I smell a mission for someone with a more thorough knowledge of clerics and bards than I have...
JulesCARV 03-03-08, 02:18 AM	In theory, fochlucan lyrist (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20050107a&page=2) could work, but it's more bard/druid than bard/cleric. On the other hand, the only real druid requirement is knowing how to speak druidic, which isn't too hard to achieve for a non-druid if you have a lenient DM.
Salick 03-03-08, 12:42 PM	A modified Sublime Chord prc might work well if your DM allows that sort of thing.
HermitIX 03-03-08, 12:52 PM	This is from the SRD http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm Bard Variant: Divine Bard Not all bards are arcanists; some derive their special powers from a divine tradition. In many primitive cultures, the divine bard takes the place of the cleric or the adept as the guide of the people's religious beliefs. Class Features The divine bard has all the standard bard class features, except as noted below. Spellcasting A divine bard learns and casts spells as a normal bard, with some minor exceptions. A divine bard's spells are divine spells, not arcane spells. To learn or cast a spell, a divine bard must have a Wisdom score (not Charisma score) equal to at least 10 + the spell level. All other Spellcasting factors, including bonus spells and save DCs, are still determined using the divine bard's Charisma score. Like druids, paladins, and rangers, divine bards need not designate a specific deity as the source of their spells. However, a divine bard can't cast spells of an alignment that doesn't match his. Thus, divine bards cannot cast lawful spells (since bards can't be lawful). Neutral divine bards can't cast any spells associated with an alignment (and are thus relatively rare). Add the following spells to the divine bard's class spell list: 0—create water, cure minor wounds; 1st—detect evil/good/law, protection from evil/good/law; 2nd—consecrate, desecrate, gentle repose; 3rd—magic circle against evil/good/law, prayer; 4th—remove disease, speak with dead, sending; 5th—divination, restoration; 6th—commune, hallow, unhallow, raise dead.
The_Shaman 03-03-08, 01:38 PM	Strangely enough, it's true. Now, I've heard of 2 bard classes that are affiliated with deities - the Battle Howler (Gruumsh) and Memory Smith (Moradin), but none that actually grant specifically bardic/cleric hybrid casting.
Beckettvampire 03-04-08, 08:52 AM	In the Dragonlance: War of the Lance campaign setting, there is. I think it is Choirist, but may be something similar to Choirister. It gains some unique new bardic music abilities depending on if you are good or evil, and near full Divine caster level, if not full. I don't know about bard spells, but seriously, why? As far as I recall, it takes a bard/cleric and mixes them to make a cleric more bard like without becomming worthless.
heinrich 03-04-08, 06:16 PM	Thanks for all the input. I'll see if i can find the Classes, i mgiht have to borrow some books.