Lasher or Master of Chains [Archive] - Wizards Community

Lasher or Master of Chains [Archive] - Wizards Community

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MungFlayer
04-02-08, 02:21 AM Who would win in a fight to the death? A Lasher like Bo "the Wolf" Cougar who duel wields whips. Or a Master of Chains like Johnny Truelove who can control chains? Also if the Lasher had a hangman golem and the Master of Chains had a chain golem who would win?...discuss
Baninor
04-02-08, 10:54 AM uhhh who? and who?
Are you referencing some anime? From what I remembered from Sword and Fist, Lashers didn't really do any damage, even with a whip dagger. And while I found Master of Chains -awesome-, in reality they weren't that great.

So I'll vote for Master of Chains.
Empirate
04-06-08, 11:32 AM Actually, Lashers could do some damage. More important to answer your question is the issue of who would disarm the other first...
Regularguy1
04-06-08, 01:45 PM From what I remembered from Sword and Fist, Lashers didn't really do any damage, even with a whip dagger.

I think you've got that backwards: it's that Lashers can opt to deal out normal damage even with an ordinary whip, doing bonus damage in general and sneak attack damage in particular with either a whip or a whip dagger -- though, yes, a high-level Lasher can forego inflicting either subdual or normal damage when opting to shoot for stunning effects and even outright helplessness.

Lashers also gain extra attacks per round, pick up Improved Trip and Improved Disarm feats, and monkey around with the "attacks of opportunity" rules in a variety of ways -- all only when using a whip or whip dagger, but, hey, that's the downside of superspecializing. The upside is that a Lasher effectively masters trick shots to the point where it's as if he's got a third hand with a fifteen-foot reach, ably flicking small objects from place to place in between snuffing out candle flames and wrapping a swingline around stuff; if he disarms somebody, he can pretty well put the liberated weapon anywhere he pleases.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
MungFlayer 04-02-08, 02:21 AM	Who would win in a fight to the death? A Lasher like Bo "the Wolf" Cougar who duel wields whips. Or a Master of Chains like Johnny Truelove who can control chains? Also if the Lasher had a hangman golem and the Master of Chains had a chain golem who would win?...discuss
Baninor 04-02-08, 10:54 AM	uhhh who? and who? Are you referencing some anime? From what I remembered from Sword and Fist, Lashers didn't really do any damage, even with a whip dagger. And while I found Master of Chains -awesome-, in reality they weren't that great. So I'll vote for Master of Chains.
Empirate 04-06-08, 11:32 AM	Actually, Lashers could do some damage. More important to answer your question is the issue of who would disarm the other first...
Regularguy1 04-06-08, 01:45 PM	From what I remembered from Sword and Fist, Lashers didn't really do any damage, even with a whip dagger. I think you've got that backwards: it's that Lashers can opt to deal out normal damage even with an ordinary whip, doing bonus damage in general and sneak attack damage in particular with either a whip or a whip dagger -- though, yes, a high-level Lasher can forego inflicting either subdual or normal damage when opting to shoot for stunning effects and even outright helplessness. Lashers also gain extra attacks per round, pick up Improved Trip and Improved Disarm feats, and monkey around with the "attacks of opportunity" rules in a variety of ways -- all only when using a whip or whip dagger, but, hey, that's the downside of superspecializing. The upside is that a Lasher effectively masters trick shots to the point where it's as if he's got a third hand with a fifteen-foot reach, ably flicking small objects from place to place in between snuffing out candle flames and wrapping a swingline around stuff; if he disarms somebody, he can pretty well put the liberated weapon anywhere he pleases.