Nightmare Spinner/Dread Witch [Archive] - Wizards Community

Nightmare Spinner/Dread Witch [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Kn1ves
06-06-07, 11:34 AM I was thinking of making a fear based character and was looking at the Dread Witch (HoH) and the Nightmare Spinner (PHBII). My only problem is that the Nightmare Spinner makes you immune to fear effects and the Dread Witch bases all of their bonuses off of fear effects. How would you rule about this combination?
Khatoblepas
06-06-07, 12:11 PM You don't need to be fearful in order to gain the benefits of the Dread Witch's class features, you just need to be exposed to it. Immunity is like automatically making the save, or not needing to make the save at all to resist an effect. You're still exposed to it, but you never need to save. It also doesn't state that you don't gain the benefit if you become immune to fear.

All in all, Nightmare Spinner/Dread Witch sounds like a pretty sweet deal.
Kn1ves
06-07-07, 01:04 AM Any other thoughts?
Chrizzt
07-22-07, 06:55 PM Since the 2nd level Absorb Fear Ability states that you can absorb your own fear into extra spell power, I think that you can't use this ability once you become immune to fear (and therefore have no own fear -> you could not be shaken anymore). Any more opinions on this?

A second question I have to ask is, if the Greater Master of Terror (Ex) of the Dread Witch (makes your fear spells so potent that they even scare the hell out of fear-immune creatures) allows you to enhance the Deadly Nightmare (SU) of the Nightmare Spinner. Well.. thats an Supernatural Ability (not an actual fear spell), so I would guess that your Deadly Nightmares can't be combined with Greater Master of Terror.. Which would be a shame, cuz in that case the synergy between Nightmare Spinner and Dread Witch is not that high anymore... and when you take into account that you will loose 2 caster levels if you take both PrC full I'm not so sure anymore if thats a good deal..
lord_xarallon
07-22-07, 08:02 PM I once made a character (though never player her) with the following levels warlock/sorcerer/dread witch/nightmare spinner 1/4/5/5.
It was fun.
Though lack of great spellcasting she was powerful with her fear effects.
She could scare Paladins and even zombies.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Kn1ves 06-06-07, 11:34 AM	I was thinking of making a fear based character and was looking at the Dread Witch (HoH) and the Nightmare Spinner (PHBII). My only problem is that the Nightmare Spinner makes you immune to fear effects and the Dread Witch bases all of their bonuses off of fear effects. How would you rule about this combination?
Khatoblepas 06-06-07, 12:11 PM	You don't need to be fearful in order to gain the benefits of the Dread Witch's class features, you just need to be exposed to it. Immunity is like automatically making the save, or not needing to make the save at all to resist an effect. You're still exposed to it, but you never need to save. It also doesn't state that you don't gain the benefit if you become immune to fear. All in all, Nightmare Spinner/Dread Witch sounds like a pretty sweet deal.
Kn1ves 06-07-07, 01:04 AM	Any other thoughts?
Chrizzt 07-22-07, 06:55 PM	Since the 2nd level Absorb Fear Ability states that you can absorb your own fear into extra spell power, I think that you can't use this ability once you become immune to fear (and therefore have no own fear -> you could not be shaken anymore). Any more opinions on this? A second question I have to ask is, if the Greater Master of Terror (Ex) of the Dread Witch (makes your fear spells so potent that they even scare the hell out of fear-immune creatures) allows you to enhance the Deadly Nightmare (SU) of the Nightmare Spinner. Well.. thats an Supernatural Ability (not an actual fear spell), so I would guess that your Deadly Nightmares can't be combined with Greater Master of Terror.. Which would be a shame, cuz in that case the synergy between Nightmare Spinner and Dread Witch is not that high anymore... and when you take into account that you will loose 2 caster levels if you take both PrC full I'm not so sure anymore if thats a good deal..
lord_xarallon 07-22-07, 08:02 PM	I once made a character (though never player her) with the following levels warlock/sorcerer/dread witch/nightmare spinner 1/4/5/5. It was fun. Though lack of great spellcasting she was powerful with her fear effects. She could scare Paladins and even zombies.