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Firestar27 12-06-06, 10:20 AM	Is this a good prestige class? I would like constructive criticism. Please reply using PEACH standards. Also, is the name taken already? Note the Spells per Day increase is below the class features table. One with the Flame Requirements Skills: Knowledge (arcana) 8 ranks, Spellcraft 8 ranks Spells: Must be able to cast 3rd level arcane spells, Must be able to cast at least one spell with the fire descriptor of at least 2nd level or higher. Special: Must voluntarily give up a saving throw and take full damage from a spell with the fire descriptor of at least 2nd level or higher. The spell must offer a saving throw and deal hit point damage. Special: Must have the Summon Familiar class feature or the Obtain Familiar feat. Hit Die: d4 Class Features Class Skills: The One with the Flame’s class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are: Bluff (Cha), Concentration (Con), Craft (Int), Decipher Script (Int), Knowledge (arcane) (Int), Profession (Wis), Spellcraft (Int). See Chapter 4 of the PHB for all skill descriptions. Skill Points at Each Level: 2 + Int modifier. Lvl BaB Fort Ref Will Special 1st +0 +0 +0 +2 Flame Enthroned 1d6 2nd +1 +0 +0 +3 Fire Familiar (small) 3rd +1 +1 +1 +3 Resistance to Fire 5 4th +2 +1 +1 +4 5th +2 +1 +1 +4 Flame Enthroned 1d8, Flaming Charm 6th +3 +2 +2 +5 Fire Familiar (medium) 7th +3 +2 +2 +5 Resistance to Fire 10 8th +4 +2 +2 +6 Fire Familiar (large) 9th +4 +3 +3 +6 10th +5 +3 +3 +7 One With the Flame, Flame Enthroned 1d10 Level Spells Per Day 1st 2nd +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 3rd +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 4th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 5th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 6th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 7th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 8th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 9th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 10th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class Spells per Day: Whenever a One with the Flame gains a level except for 1st he gains spells per day and spells known as if he gained a level in a preexisting arcane spellcasting class. He doesn’t gain any other abilities that a character of that class would receive (bonus feats, more powerful familiar, etc.). If he has more than one arcane spellcasting class while gaining a level of One with the Flame, then he must choose which spellcasting progression to advance each time he gains a level of One with the Flame. Flame Enthroned (Su): A One with the Flame is surrounded by a small flame that does not hurt him or his allies. If someone attacks a One with the Flame in melee and hits, the enemy takes 1d6 points of fire damage. At 5th level, this increases to 1d8 points of damage. At 10th level, this increases to 1d10 points of damage. Fire Familiar: At 2nd level, a One with the Flame learns how to keep a small essence of fire with him at all times. He gains a small fire elemental as a familiar. He may only gain one if he has no familiar already. If he loses the fire elemental familiar, or he had a different familiar when he gain 2nd level and that familiar died, he may summon a new fire elemental familiar. His One with the Flame levels stack with Sorcerer or Wizard levels for the purpose of determining the familiar’s abilities. If he has the Obtain Familiar feat, then all of is arcane levels stack for the purposes of determining the familiar’s abilities (as through the feat’s effect). At 6th level the familiar increases in size to medium. At 8th level it increases in size to large. Resistance to Fire (Ex): At 3rd level, a One with the Flame builds up a resistance to the material that he works with. This gives a One with the Flame Resistance to Fire 5. At 7th level this increases to Resistance to Fire 10. Flaming Charm (Su): The flame that surrounds a One with the Flame makes him look more impressive. At 5th level this gives a One with the Flame a +2 enhance bonus to Charisma. One with the Flame: At 10th level a One with the Flame’s spirit becomes fire in its purest form. His eyes have the appearance of flames, though they don’t shed light or heat and their eyes continue to function as normal. His type changes to Outsider (native), however, unlike other outsiders he can be brought back from the dead. He gains Immunity to Fire. His Flaming Charm gives him a +4 enhancement bonus to Charisma instead of the +2 enhancement bonus.
Firestar27 12-06-06, 12:15 PM	sorry about the bad format. i copied it from Word and it didnt paste correctly. Im short on time know so i might not get fixed right now. ill try to fix it when i can.
Firestar27 12-06-06, 12:32 PM	anyone know how to format it? i cant seem to get the colums to line up right.
Firestar27 12-06-06, 08:11 PM	just made it a little easier to read. I still cant get the columns right but i put an explanation on the bottom to help. Maybe I could get the columns right, if SOMEONE BESIDES ME WOULD ACTUALLY POST AND HELP ME. :headexplo
Firestar27 12-06-06, 09:16 PM	This is getting rediculous. Over 30 views and all the posts are by me. Can i please have some feedback?
Firestar27 12-07-06, 09:03 AM	I have fixed the Format! Enjoy!
Throg 12-07-06, 09:40 AM	Hmm, looks ok, though the Flame Sphere thing seems kind of weak. If I knew the rules on awakening spells or whatever it's called, I'd say them them a Flame Sphere familiar instead... Or how about they gain a Small Fire Elemental that replaces their current familiar, then it grows in size.. Medium at level 6 and Large at Level 10? That seems fair, since some prc give up only 1 spell casting level and gain a bunch of good abilities.
Firestar27 12-07-06, 02:50 PM	Should i replace fireball as well to further the fire elemental's abilities. It should start out small right? Should i make the levels stack for familiar abilties as well as special abilities for the familiar for this class? That way a sorcerer/wizard One with the Flame will be better than a warmage/bard/other arcane guy One with the Flame. Finally somene else posted.
Typhir 12-10-06, 10:59 PM	Should i replace fireball as well to further the fire elemental's abilities. It should start out small right? Should i make the levels stack for familiar abilties as well as special abilities for the familiar for this class? That way a sorcerer/wizard One with the Flame will be better than a warmage/bard/other arcane guy One with the Flame. Finally somene else posted. Personally, I wouldn't allow it to stack with familiar abilities, since that is all the sorcerer gets for advancement, but maybe giving the familiar extra abilities isn't too bad. Flaming Charm (Su): The flame that surrounds a One with the Flame makes him look more impressive. This gives a One with the Flame a +2 enhance bonus to Charisma. Giving +2 Charisma is a bit powerful at 1st level especially with the low entry requirements. I'd suggest pushing it back a bit to avoid people dipping into the prestige class. The fireball and flame sphere spell-like abilities is kind of meh. Maybe you should allow the character to spontaneously cast a spell with the fire descriptor? For a 7/10th casting prestige class, it feels a bit weak, especially when fire resistance is one of the more popular ones in D&D. Maybe bump it to a 9/10 caster, with caster level loss at 1st level. Oh, by the way, what is the hit die? I'm assuming d4. Just my two cents.
megageek12 12-10-06, 11:48 PM	Well it seems kinda weak...Make flame enthroned more powerful. Whenever they hit your touch ac how bout'.
Firestar27 12-12-06, 03:14 PM	yes the hit die is d4. Giving +2 Charisma is a bit powerful at 1st level especially with the low entry requirements. I'd suggest pushing it back a bit to avoid people dipping into the prestige class. When should he get the bonus then? The fireball and flame sphere spell-like abilities is kind of meh. Maybe you should allow the character to spontaneously cast a spell with the fire descriptor? What do you mean spontaneously cast? This is built for the sorcerer who can ONLY spontaneously cast. Should i put spontaneously cast fire spells of certain level and if the character can already spontaneously cast spells (sorcerer) then he should add a fire spell 1 level lower to his spells known? Personally, I wouldn't allow it to stack with familiar abilities, since that is all the sorcerer gets for advancement, but maybe giving the familiar extra abilities isn't too bad. What extra abilities then?
Typhir 12-12-06, 11:23 PM	Hmm, for the +2 to Charisma, perhaps delaying it by a level or two is best. I think 3rd level or later is okay for this kind of bonus. It just shouldn't be at 1st level, because that leads to people dipping into the class to get a bonus. What do you mean spontaneously cast? This is built for the sorcerer who can ONLY spontaneously cast. Should i put spontaneously cast fire spells of certain level and if the character can already spontaneously cast spells (sorcerer) then he should add a fire spell 1 level lower to his spells known? Ah, apologies. I was thinking in terms of the wizard, because as written a wizard can also enter the class. Perhaps you should change the spells requirement to read: Spells: Must be able to cast 3rd level arcane spells spontaneously, Must be able to cast at least one spell with the fire descriptor of at least 2nd level or higher. Maybe you can give the entering sorcerer bonus spells per day, like one extra fire spell per level of the prestige class, without the bonus spells counting against the total spells known. As for the familiar abilities, I'm not certain what can be added. Maybe grant the familiar fire resistance or allow it to cast a one first level fire spell of its master's choice?
Firestar27 12-13-06, 12:28 PM	Maybe you can give the entering sorcerer bonus spells per day, like one extra fire spell per level of the prestige class, without the bonus spells counting against the total spells known. Wouldn't a bonus spell per level be too overpowered? Would a bonus spell at 2nd, 6th, and 8th level (of the class, not spell level) at their highest casting ability be good? So i'll get rid of flaming sphere and fireball as spell-like abilties, add a bonus fire spell per day at 2nd, 6th, and 8th levels, and give familiar abilites. Is that good? (not gonna change before i find out if its good or not to save me the trouble of changing back.) For the familiar abilities, should i give him a fire elemental familiar and increase size like Throg said, or should i give his current familiar bonus fire abilites? Should i make the familiar abilities that normal sorcerers get stack with One with the Flame levels?
Firestar27 12-20-06, 10:23 AM	:bump:
Firestar27 12-23-06, 10:28 PM	Ok, i fixed the spells per day to give full except level 1. Should i still change the flaming sphere and fireball? (i know to move flaming charm down, but i want it to either replace the flaming sphere or just add it on.)
Archmage_of_Blood 12-24-06, 04:24 PM	One with the Flame: At 10th level a One with the Flame becomes one with the flame. His type changes to Outsider (native), however, unlike other outsiders he can be brought back from the dead. He gains Immunity to Fire. His Flaming Charm gives his a +4 enhancement bonus to Charisma instead of the +2 enhancement bonus.[/sblock] You should now take double damage from cold damage or something, in the same way other immune-to-fire creatures do.
Firestar27 12-24-06, 11:41 PM	You should now take double damage from cold damage or something, in the same way other immune-to-fire creatures do. You mean cold vulnerability? I don't know, don't other PrC's get immunes without getting vulnerability (The elementist, if i got the name right, from complete arcane?)
Archmage_of_Blood 12-25-06, 01:17 PM	Oops. Sorry.
benstundze 01-04-07, 02:02 PM	dont sblock evrything just code and bold when needed
Firestar27 01-05-07, 02:24 PM	dont sblock evrything just code and bold when needed Why not? it makes it easier for eveyone to view.
Firestar27 01-06-07, 10:13 PM	:bump: bumpity bumpity
megageek12 01-06-07, 11:53 PM	Please make flame enthroned better...
Firestar27 01-07-07, 08:32 PM	i made flame enthroned better, pushed flaming charm up a few levels, removed the Flaming Sphere and Fireball per day, added fire elemental familiar. I also added a requirement to have the ability to gain a familiar.
megageek12 01-07-07, 11:40 PM	Possibly a little more drastic...
Firestar27 01-08-07, 12:40 PM	Possibly a little more drastic... What was drastic? Are you saying my changes were too drastic or that they should be more drastic? It's not as much as it looks. I just stopped it from being good for dipping into, and i replaced Flaming Sphere and Fireball with a familiar. and i upped flame enthroned by one hit die. Only 1 big change, and 2 little changes.
benstundze 01-08-07, 02:40 PM	De sblock it, it looks stupid no offence. ben
Firestar27 01-08-07, 07:28 PM	no more sblocks.
benstundze 01-08-07, 08:35 PM	Is this a good prestige class? I would like constructive criticism. Please reply using PEACH standards. Also, is the name taken already? Note the Spells per Day increase is below the class features table. please note all my criticism is positive One with the Flame Requirements Skills: Knowledge (arcana) 8 ranks, Spellcraft 8 ranks Spells: Must be able to cast 3rd level arcane spells, Must be able to cast at least one spell with the fire descriptor of at least 2nd level or higher. Special: Must voluntarily give up a saving throw and take full damage from a spell with the fire descriptor of at least 2nd level or higher. The spell must offer a saving throw and deal hit point damage. why? Special: Must have the Summon Familiar class feature or the Obtain Familiar feat. just make it so he doesn’t gain the familiar without the feat, I wouldn’t make it a requirement Hit Die: d4 a bit low don’t you think(i personally see this as more a melee class, not the mage but whatever) Class Features Class Skills: The One with the Flame’s class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are: Bluff (Cha), Concentration (Con), Craft (Int), Decipher Script (Int), Knowledge (arcane) (Int), Profession (Wis), Spellcraft (Int). See Chapter 4 of the PHB for all skill descriptions. Skill Points at Each Level: 2 + Int modifier. Lvl BaB Fort Ref Will Special 1st +0 +0 +0 +2 Flame Enthroned 1d6 2nd +1 +0 +0 +3 Fire Familiar (small) 3rd +1 +1 +1 +3 Resistance to Fire 5 4th +2 +1 +1 +4 Flaming Charm 5th +2 +1 +1 +4 Flame Enthroned 1d8 6th +3 +2 +2 +5 Fire Familiar (medium) 7th +3 +2 +2 +5 Resistance to Fire 10 8th +4 +2 +2 +6 Fire Familiar (large) 9th +4 +3 +3 +6 Flame Enthroned 1d10 10th +5 +3 +3 +7 One With the Flame Level Spells Per Day 1st 2nd +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 3rd +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 4th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 5th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 6th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 7th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 8th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 9th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 10th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class Spells per Day: Whenever a One with the Flame gains a level except for 3rd, 6th, or 9th he gains spells per day and spells known as if he gained a level in a preexisting arcane spellcasting class. He doesn’t gain any other abilities that a character of that class would receive (bonus feats, more powerful familiar, etc.). If he has more than one arcane spellcasting class while gaining a level of One with the Flame, then he must choose which spellcasting progression to advance each time he gains a level of One with the Flame. you forgot to remove spells at level 3,6,9 Flame Enthroned (Su): A One with the Flame is surrounded by a small flame that does not hurt him or his allies. If someone attacks a One with the Flame in melee and hits, the enemy takes 1d6 points of fire damage. At 5th level, this increases to 1d8 points of damage. At 9th level, this increases to 1d10 points of damage. make the 1d10 at level 10 Fire Familiar: At 2nd level, a One with the Flame, gains a small fire elemental as a familiar. He may only gain one if he has no familiar already. His One with the Flame levels stack with Sorcerer or Wizard levels for the purpose of determining the familiars abilities. If he has the Obtain Familiar feat, then all of is arcane spellcaster levels stack for the purposes of determining the familiar’s abilities (as through the feat’s effect). At 6th level the familiar increases in size to medium. At 8th level it increases in size to large. again move large to level 10 Resistance to Fire (Ex): At 3rd level, a One with the Flame gets Resistance to Fire 5. At 7th level this increases to Resistance to Fire 10. nice Flaming Charm (Su): The flame that surrounds a One with the Flame makes him look more impressive. At 4th level this gives a One with the Flame a +2 enhance bonus to Charisma. make this at level 5 (a empty level is good for a class and its more balanced) One with the Flame: At 10th level a One with the Flame becomes one with the flame. His type changes to Outsider (native), however, unlike other outsiders he can be brought back from the dead. He gains Immunity to Fire. His Flaming Charm gives him a +4 enhancement bonus to Charisma instead of the +2 enhancement bonus. move the charm improvement into charm, and why dose he become outsider that’s going just a bit far, instead maybe say fire glows in his eyes The Format Has Been FIXED!!!!!!! thanks for removing sblocks you might think about moving spells into the chart but you don’t need to. Ben
megageek12 01-08-07, 09:08 PM	Have it lose a spellcasting level, and make the flame enthroned 1d10 at first, 1d12 at 5th, and 2d8 at 10th. Or something like that.
benstundze 01-08-07, 10:09 PM	Have it lose a spellcasting level, and make the flame enthroned 1d10 at first, 1d12 at 5th, and 2d8 at 10th. Or something like that. no dont do this...... ben
Firestar27 01-09-07, 12:13 PM	Have it lose a spellcasting level, and make the flame enthroned 1d10 at first, 1d12 at 5th, and 2d8 at 10th. Or something like that. That would make flame enthroned way too powerful. It is not meant as an offensive attack. More like fire shield (i think). Just a way to stop monsters from attacking you the second time. Is this a good prestige class? I would like constructive criticism. Please reply using PEACH standards. Also, is the name taken already? Note the Spells per Day increase is below the class features table. please note all my criticism is positive One with the Flame Requirements Skills: Knowledge (arcana) 8 ranks, Spellcraft 8 ranks Spells: Must be able to cast 3rd level arcane spells, Must be able to cast at least one spell with the fire descriptor of at least 2nd level or higher. Special: Must voluntarily give up a saving throw and take full damage from a spell with the fire descriptor of at least 2nd level or higher. The spell must offer a saving throw and deal hit point damage. why? To show your love for fire. If you aren't willing to take that little damage (like one round from a flaming sphere) then you don't love fire enough. I have seen other requirements similar to this in other PrCs (i dont know where). It's really just a fluff requirement. Should i change it to having peaceful contact with a fire elemental like the elementist (from complete arcane)? Special: Must have the Summon Familiar class feature or the Obtain Familiar feat. just make it so he doesn’t gain the familiar without the feat, I wouldn’t make it a requirement Ok, i can try that. Hit Die: d4 a bit low don’t you think(i personally see this as more a melee class, not the mage but whatever) I actually though of it more of a spellcasting class. Like fire evoker, but getting better defense (like fire resistance and flame enthroned). My original idea was for it too cast Fireball and Flaming Sphere a certain number of times per day so that it wouldn't have to prepare them. I was told it wasn't powerful enough though. Class Features Class Skills: The One with the Flame’s class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are: Bluff (Cha), Concentration (Con), Craft (Int), Decipher Script (Int), Knowledge (arcane) (Int), Profession (Wis), Spellcraft (Int). See Chapter 4 of the PHB for all skill descriptions. Skill Points at Each Level: 2 + Int modifier. Lvl BaB Fort Ref Will Special 1st +0 +0 +0 +2 Flame Enthroned 1d6 2nd +1 +0 +0 +3 Fire Familiar (small) 3rd +1 +1 +1 +3 Resistance to Fire 5 4th +2 +1 +1 +4 Flaming Charm 5th +2 +1 +1 +4 Flame Enthroned 1d8 6th +3 +2 +2 +5 Fire Familiar (medium) 7th +3 +2 +2 +5 Resistance to Fire 10 8th +4 +2 +2 +6 Fire Familiar (large) 9th +4 +3 +3 +6 Flame Enthroned 1d10 10th +5 +3 +3 +7 One With the Flame Level Spells Per Day 1st 2nd +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 3rd +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 4th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 5th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 6th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 7th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 8th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 9th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 10th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class Spells per Day: Whenever a One with the Flame gains a level except for 3rd, 6th, or 9th he gains spells per day and spells known as if he gained a level in a preexisting arcane spellcasting class. He doesn’t gain any other abilities that a character of that class would receive (bonus feats, more powerful familiar, etc.). If he has more than one arcane spellcasting class while gaining a level of One with the Flame, then he must choose which spellcasting progression to advance each time he gains a level of One with the Flame. you forgot to remove spells at level 3,6,9 At first it was like that. Then someone said that the PrC wasn't powerful enough because it didn't get such great abilities and it had a 2/3 caster progression. now that i changed some abilities, i don't know whether to keep as all but 1st level, or to change it to something like levels 1, 4, 7. (not letting this become a level dip class). I just forgot to change to text of the Spells section, not the other way around. Flame Enthroned (Su): A One with the Flame is surrounded by a small flame that does not hurt him or his allies. If someone attacks a One with the Flame in melee and hits, the enemy takes 1d6 points of fire damage. At 5th level, this increases to 1d8 points of damage. At 9th level, this increases to 1d10 points of damage. make the 1d10 at level 10 Then i will have a dead level. This will make going up to level 10 much greater than before though... Fire Familiar: At 2nd level, a One with the Flame, gains a small fire elemental as a familiar. He may only gain one if he has no familiar already. His One with the Flame levels stack with Sorcerer or Wizard levels for the purpose of determining the familiars abilities. If he has the Obtain Familiar feat, then all of is arcane spellcaster levels stack for the purposes of determining the familiar’s abilities (as through the feat’s effect). At 6th level the familiar increases in size to medium. At 8th level it increases in size to large. again move large to level 10 Again, i will have a dead level. But again, it will make lvl 10 that much greater than stopping at level 8. Resistance to Fire (Ex): At 3rd level, a One with the Flame gets Resistance to Fire 5. At 7th level this increases to Resistance to Fire 10. nice Thanks Flaming Charm (Su): The flame that surrounds a One with the Flame makes him look more impressive. At 4th level this gives a One with the Flame a +2 enhance bonus to Charisma. make this at level 5 (a empty level is good for a class and its more balanced) Why at level 5? It was supposed to be at level 1 but then someone said it would be a level dip only class if it stayed that way. If i say that it takes up a head slot, would that make it level 4 or even level 3? (as opposed to the current no slot.) I agree that 1 empty level or even 2 is good for a class. 3 is good for a class with amazing abilities. But this is not on the amazing abilities scale. 3 dead levels is a little much, i think. One with the Flame: At 10th level a One with the Flame becomes one with the flame. His type changes to Outsider (native), however, unlike other outsiders he can be brought back from the dead. He gains Immunity to Fire. His Flaming Charm gives him a +4 enhancement bonus to Charisma instead of the +2 enhancement bonus. move the charm improvement into charm, and why dose he become outsider that’s going just a bit far, instead maybe say fire glows in his eyes What do you mean to move the charm improvement into charm? Do you mean to make flaming charm start as a +4 enhancement and not improve it? I guess if it started at level 5 like you said. He becomes an outsider because he deals with qualities of the elemental plane of fire. The elementist becomes outsider. So do many PrCs. It's really not much. It just stops things like charm person or hold person. (note the "person" part). I should add the fire glow in his eyes though. Really cool. The Format Has Been FIXED!!!!!!! Thanks for the help, but i'm a little confused as to why you want three dead levels. If you had to rank importance for what to move, and what not to move, what would it be? (like maybe make sure to bring fire elemental large to level 10, then maybe the flame enthroned, then if i really want 3 dead levels i would move flaming charm to level 5.)
benstundze 01-09-07, 01:15 PM	why? To show your love for fire. If you aren't willing to take that little damage (like one round from a flaming sphere) then you don't love fire enough. I have seen other requirements similar to this in other PrCs (i dont know where). It's really just a fluff requirement. Should i change it to having peaceful contact with a fire elemental like the elementist (from complete arcane)? no it just a bit odd... a bit low don’t you think(i personally see this as more a melee class, not the mage but whatever) I actually though of it more of a spellcasting class. Like fire evoker, but getting better defense (like fire resistance and flame enthroned). My original idea was for it too cast Fireball and Flaming Sphere a certain number of times per day so that it wouldn't have to prepare them. I was told it wasn't powerful enough though. oh, ok its your class not mine At first it was like that. Then someone said that the PrC wasn't powerful enough because it didn't get such great abilities and it had a 2/3 caster progression. now that i changed some abilities, i don't know whether to keep as all but 1st level, or to change it to something like levels 1, 4, 7. (not letting this become a level dip class). I just forgot to change to text of the Spells section, not the other way around. maybe lose spells at level 5 or something maybe lvl 7 make the 1d10 at level 10 Then i will have a dead level. This will make going up to level 10 much greater than before though... yes level 10 would be nicer and that’s good(its the same power as before just makes you work for it) Again, i will have a dead level. But again, it will make lvl 10 that much greater than stopping at level 8. .... Why at level 5? It was supposed to be at level 1 but then someone said it would be a level dip only class if it stayed that way. If i say that it takes up a head slot, would that make it level 4 or even level 3? (as opposed to the current no slot.) I agree that 1 empty level or even 2 is good for a class. 3 is good for a class with amazing abilities. But this is not on the amazing abilities scale. 3 dead levels is a little much, i think. then again your 10th level will be rocking right? What do you mean to move the charm improvement into charm? Do you mean to make flaming charm start as a +4 enhancement and not improve it? I guess if it started at level 5 like you said. no, move the bonus text into charm it don’t belong in "1 with flame" He becomes an outsider because he deals with qualities of the elemental plane of fire. The elementist becomes outsider. So do many PrCs. It's really not much. It just stops things like charm person or hold person. (note the "person" part). I should add the fire glow in his eyes though. Really cool. oh...ok...nm...:).... The Format Has Been FIXED!!!!!!! Thanks for the help, but i'm a little confused as to why you want three dead levels. If you had to rank importance for what to move, and what not to move, what would it be? (like maybe make sure to bring fire elemental large to level 10, then maybe the flame enthroned, then if i really want 3 dead levels i would move flaming charm to level 5.) 3 dead levels aren’t that bad, you get a fire elemental and full spell casting(right there its better then the wizard) then you get a fire shield and to top it off you have charisma bonuses ben
Firestar27 01-09-07, 03:42 PM	3 dead levels aren’t that bad, you get a fire elemental and full spell casting(right there its better then the wizard) then you get a fire shield and to top it off you have charisma bonuses not full casting. you don't get it on the 1st level. I probably should lower the casting though. no time right now though.
Firestar27 01-18-07, 09:24 PM	I moved the final Flame Enthroned to level 10. I added a little fluff in the ability descriptions. It is obvious what is fluff and what is not. I also moved Flaming Charm up a level to level 5. I was considering changing the name. One with the Flame sounds weird (A One with the Flame gets this... sound unusual. Noone says "A one..."). I was thinking of *insert magic related title* of the Flame. Like maybe Shaper of the Flame. What do you think?
benstundze 01-18-07, 09:42 PM	I moved the final Flame Enthroned to level 10. I added a little fluff in the ability descriptions. It is obvious what is fluff and what is not. I also moved Flaming Charm up a level to level 5. cool I was considering changing the name. One with the Flame sounds weird (A One with the Flame gets this... sound unusual. Noone says "A one..."). I was thinking of *insert magic related title* of the Flame. Like maybe Shaper of the Flame. What do you think? the flamer.....living flame just thoughs dont mader i dont care thanks ben
benstundze 01-18-07, 09:47 PM	Is this a good prestige class? I would like constructive criticism. Please reply using PEACH standards. Also, is the name taken already? Note the Spells per Day increase is below the class features table. One with the Flame Requirements Skills: Knowledge (arcana) 8 ranks, Spellcraft 8 ranks Spells: Must be able to cast 3rd level arcane spells, Must be able to cast at least one spell with the fire descriptor of at least 2nd level or higher. Special: Must voluntarily give up a saving throw and take full damage from a spell with the fire descriptor of at least 2nd level or higher. The spell must offer a saving throw and deal hit point damage. Special: Must have the Summon Familiar class feature or the Obtain Familiar feat. Hit Die: d4 Class Features Class Skills: The One with the Flame’s class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are: Bluff (Cha), Concentration (Con), Craft (Int), Decipher Script (Int), Knowledge (arcane) (Int), Profession (Wis), Spellcraft (Int). See Chapter 4 of the PHB for all skill descriptions. Skill Points at Each Level: 2 + Int modifier. Lvl BaB Fort Ref Will Special 1st +0 +0 +0 +2 Flame Enthroned 1d6 2nd +1 +0 +0 +3 Fire Familiar (small) 3rd +1 +1 +1 +3 Resistance to Fire 5 4th +2 +1 +1 +4 5th +2 +1 +1 +4 Flame Enthroned 1d8, Flaming Charm 6th +3 +2 +2 +5 Fire Familiar (medium) 7th +3 +2 +2 +5 Resistance to Fire 10 8th +4 +2 +2 +6 9th +4 +3 +3 +6 Flame Enthroned 1d10 10th +5 +3 +3 +7 One With the Flame, Fire Familiar (large) Level Spells Per Day 1st 2nd +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 3rd +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 4th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 5th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 6th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 7th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 8th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 9th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class 10th +1 level of existing arcane spellcasting class Spells per Day: Whenever a One with the Flame gains a level except for 1st he gains spells per day and spells known as if he gained a level in a preexisting arcane spellcasting class. He doesn’t gain any other abilities that a character of that class would receive (bonus feats, more powerful familiar, etc.). If he has more than one arcane spellcasting class while gaining a level of One with the Flame, then he must choose which spellcasting progression to advance each time he gains a level of One with the Flame. Flame Enthroned (Su): A One with the Flame is surrounded by a small flame that does not hurt him or his allies. If someone attacks a One with the Flame in melee and hits, the enemy takes 1d6 points of fire damage. At 5th level, this increases to 1d8 points of damage. At 10th level, this increases to 1d10 points of damage. Fire Familiar: At 2nd level, a One with the Flame learns how to keep a small essence of fire with him at all times. He gains a small fire elemental as a familiar. He may only gain one if he has no familiar already. If he loses the fire elemental familiar, or he had a different familiar when he gain 2nd level and that familiar died, he may summon a new fire elemental familiar. His One with the Flame levels stack with Sorcerer or Wizard levels for the purpose of determining the familiar’s abilities. If he has the Obtain Familiar feat, then all of is arcane levels stack for the purposes of determining the familiar’s abilities (as through the feat’s effect). At 6th level the familiar increases in size to medium. At 8th level it increases in size to large. Resistance to Fire (Ex): At 3rd level, a One with the Flame builds up a resistance to the material that he works with. This gives a One with the Flame Resistance to Fire 5. At 7th level this increases to Resistance to Fire 10. Flaming Charm (Su): The flame that surrounds a One with the Flame makes him look more impressive. At 5th level this gives a One with the Flame a +2 enhance bonus to Charisma. One with the Flame: At 10th level a One with the Flame’s spirit becomes fire in its purest form. His eyes have the appearance of flames, though they don’t shed light or heat and their eyes continue to function as normal. His type changes to Outsider (native), however, unlike other outsiders he can be brought back from the dead. He gains Immunity to Fire. His Flaming Charm gives him a +4 enhancement bonus to Charisma instead of the +2 enhancement bonus. thanks ben
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