Psionic Necromancer? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Psionic Necromancer? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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forsaken1111
09-04-07, 06:23 PM Are there any psionic PRC's based around undeath and the control of negative energy?

I'm not specifically looking for one which controls legions of undead, but something fun to play without too many manifest levels lost in the process (if any). I'd been thinking of just making a psionic version of the Pale Master but curious what else was out there. After a few searches didn't pull up much interesting I decided to post this in the hopes that someone knows of one such PRC.

As an adside: I could use suggestions on what to replace some of the abilities with if I do convert Pale Master to psionics. Things like "Undead Armor Affinity" are meaningless to a psionic character since they do not suffer from arcane spell failure. Alternatly this could be an opportunity to develop a completely new PRC... I'm looking for this stuff for a BBEG in a campaign who is already undead and is a powerful psion. I'd like some PRC or class which represents deepening the connection with negative energy already present within an undead creature.
Svartgeirr
09-05-07, 12:59 AM Wizard/Psion/Cerebremancer?
Tempest Stormwind
09-05-07, 01:38 AM There's two that might work, but they're both 3.0. Check the Mind's Eye for "Grim Psion".

I wouldn't recommend it, though. 3.0 psi is eeeeeeevil.
Count Arioch the 28th
09-05-07, 01:46 AM Complete Psionic has new powers in a category called Stygian powers that you need a feat to be able to learn.

They're not undeath related powers, more like negative energy powers, if I recall correctly. (I don't have my books, I'm violating company policy and surfing the web at work. However, I put in my 2 weeks notice already, it's not like they can fire me. :P )
Molot
09-05-07, 04:57 AM Psionics is a power of mind, and undead does not have one. At least not in a normal way. I think that's a reason nobody can find one. And that's a reason you'll have big problem explaining it if you'll try to make one on your own.
forsaken1111
09-05-07, 08:13 AM Wizard/Psion/Cerebremancer?

That could work, but I would rather have him remain a single caster for simplicity.

There's two that might work, but they're both 3.0. Check the Mind's Eye for "Grim Psion".

I wouldn't recommend it, though. 3.0 psi is eeeeeeevil.

I looked it over. It seems easy enough to convert. Its a 10 level transformation class making you a psionic undead. It could work.

Complete Psionic has new powers in a category called Stygian powers that you need a feat to be able to learn.

They're not undeath related powers, more like negative energy powers, if I recall correctly. (I don't have my books, I'm violating company policy and surfing the web at work. However, I put in my 2 weeks notice already, it's not like they can fire me. :P )

I know about the stygian powers, and they are most certainly undeath related (Stygian Dominion anyone) so if I stick with psion he'll definetly have some of them.

Psionics is a power of mind, and undead does not have one. At least not in a normal way. I think that's a reason nobody can find one. And that's a reason you'll have big problem explaining it if you'll try to make one on your own.

In this setting undead are just as active psionically as the living. Besides, we don't need to argue realism in a game will spells and unicorns.

Anyway I had an idea... since I couldn't find anything which fit what I wanted, I think I will do a class based on the grim psion, but make it 14 levels long and ending with the subject becoming a true psilich. Might take some inspiration from true necromancer/pale master as well. Anyone want to help?
Molot
09-05-07, 09:05 AM Anyway I had an idea... since I couldn't find anything which fit what I wanted, I think I will do a class based on the grim psion, but make it 14 levels long and ending with the subject becoming a true psilich. Might take some inspiration from true necromancer/pale master as well. Anyone want to help?In terms of balance I'll be glad to help :) If you'll create new thread, post a link to it here or by PM. If setting allows psionic undead, I see no reason not to create specific PrC for interaction. As for start - do you prefer him to control/affect undead, or to become one, or both? And what'd be a source of his undead being/affecting psi powers? Are you gong to create some new ones, did you found a official ones, or there already are setting-dependent powers? Knowing the basics is a best start ;)
forsaken1111
09-05-07, 09:14 AM In terms of balance I'll be glad to help :) If you'll create new thread, post a link to it here or by PM. If setting allows psionic undead, I see no reason not to create specific PrC for interaction. As for start - do you prefer him to control/affect undead, or to become one, or both? And what'd be a source of his undead being/affecting psi powers? Are you gong to create some new ones, did you found a official ones, or there already are setting-dependent powers? Knowing the basics is a best start ;)

The plan was to base it off of the existant stygian powers in complete psionics. To make a 14 level prestige class which over the course gives some power over undead and transforms him into a psi-lich. Entry requirements will require at least level 6, meaning he won't reach lich-dom till character level 20. The class will require a psicrystal which will eventually be subsumed into the creature's body and become a psionic Mother Cyst granting access to psionic versions of the cyst spells.

As for the source of his power, I think psionically creating negative energy, as by the stygian ray and other powers, will suffice as a fluff explaination.

Just so you know, in this setting psionics and magic are different. There is no interaction betwixt the two, to the point that a psionic power can pass through a magical wall of force. I'm not the DM, but I am helping him come up with fun stuff on the side.

We are using the psianimate dead power from Hyperconscious as well as some other undead-affecting psionics from other sources. He is also allowing some spells to have psionic variants which channel negative energy psionically to do essentially the same thing.

I will make a new thread for the class when I've finished the initial version. What would you suggest for ML progression? Right now I have a 12/14 manifester progression. This could be decreased to 11/14 and still grant 9th level powers at level 20.
Molot
09-05-07, 09:40 AM What would you suggest for ML progression? Right now I have a 12/14 manifester progression. This could be decreased to 11/14 and still grant 9th level powers at level 20.I think 9'th level powers seems a must-have, but it all depends on the overall power of the class. More you put in other bonuses, less you can put into ML. It's impossible to know the balance now ;) I'd say minimal ML needed for 9'th level powers and then go on with other bonuses to fill the freed "power space" (in the meaning from "power curve", not from "power points" ;) )
forsaken1111
09-05-07, 11:22 AM It may be good, it may be crap. Here's the class, tell me what you think. It took me a while to get all my thoughts down coherantly. :D

http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=13673567#post13673567

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
forsaken1111 09-04-07, 06:23 PM	Are there any psionic PRC's based around undeath and the control of negative energy? I'm not specifically looking for one which controls legions of undead, but something fun to play without too many manifest levels lost in the process (if any). I'd been thinking of just making a psionic version of the Pale Master but curious what else was out there. After a few searches didn't pull up much interesting I decided to post this in the hopes that someone knows of one such PRC. As an adside: I could use suggestions on what to replace some of the abilities with if I do convert Pale Master to psionics. Things like "Undead Armor Affinity" are meaningless to a psionic character since they do not suffer from arcane spell failure. Alternatly this could be an opportunity to develop a completely new PRC... I'm looking for this stuff for a BBEG in a campaign who is already undead and is a powerful psion. I'd like some PRC or class which represents deepening the connection with negative energy already present within an undead creature.
Svartgeirr 09-05-07, 12:59 AM	Wizard/Psion/Cerebremancer?
Tempest Stormwind 09-05-07, 01:38 AM	There's two that might work, but they're both 3.0. Check the Mind's Eye for "Grim Psion". I wouldn't recommend it, though. 3.0 psi is eeeeeeevil.
Count Arioch the 28th 09-05-07, 01:46 AM	Complete Psionic has new powers in a category called Stygian powers that you need a feat to be able to learn. They're not undeath related powers, more like negative energy powers, if I recall correctly. (I don't have my books, I'm violating company policy and surfing the web at work. However, I put in my 2 weeks notice already, it's not like they can fire me. :P )
Molot 09-05-07, 04:57 AM	Psionics is a power of mind, and undead does not have one. At least not in a normal way. I think that's a reason nobody can find one. And that's a reason you'll have big problem explaining it if you'll try to make one on your own.
forsaken1111 09-05-07, 08:13 AM	Wizard/Psion/Cerebremancer? That could work, but I would rather have him remain a single caster for simplicity. There's two that might work, but they're both 3.0. Check the Mind's Eye for "Grim Psion". I wouldn't recommend it, though. 3.0 psi is eeeeeeevil. I looked it over. It seems easy enough to convert. Its a 10 level transformation class making you a psionic undead. It could work. Complete Psionic has new powers in a category called Stygian powers that you need a feat to be able to learn. They're not undeath related powers, more like negative energy powers, if I recall correctly. (I don't have my books, I'm violating company policy and surfing the web at work. However, I put in my 2 weeks notice already, it's not like they can fire me. :P ) I know about the stygian powers, and they are most certainly undeath related (Stygian Dominion anyone) so if I stick with psion he'll definetly have some of them. Psionics is a power of mind, and undead does not have one. At least not in a normal way. I think that's a reason nobody can find one. And that's a reason you'll have big problem explaining it if you'll try to make one on your own. In this setting undead are just as active psionically as the living. Besides, we don't need to argue realism in a game will spells and unicorns. Anyway I had an idea... since I couldn't find anything which fit what I wanted, I think I will do a class based on the grim psion, but make it 14 levels long and ending with the subject becoming a true psilich. Might take some inspiration from true necromancer/pale master as well. Anyone want to help?
Molot 09-05-07, 09:05 AM	Anyway I had an idea... since I couldn't find anything which fit what I wanted, I think I will do a class based on the grim psion, but make it 14 levels long and ending with the subject becoming a true psilich. Might take some inspiration from true necromancer/pale master as well. Anyone want to help?In terms of balance I'll be glad to help :) If you'll create new thread, post a link to it here or by PM. If setting allows psionic undead, I see no reason not to create specific PrC for interaction. As for start - do you prefer him to control/affect undead, or to become one, or both? And what'd be a source of his undead being/affecting psi powers? Are you gong to create some new ones, did you found a official ones, or there already are setting-dependent powers? Knowing the basics is a best start ;)
forsaken1111 09-05-07, 09:14 AM	In terms of balance I'll be glad to help :) If you'll create new thread, post a link to it here or by PM. If setting allows psionic undead, I see no reason not to create specific PrC for interaction. As for start - do you prefer him to control/affect undead, or to become one, or both? And what'd be a source of his undead being/affecting psi powers? Are you gong to create some new ones, did you found a official ones, or there already are setting-dependent powers? Knowing the basics is a best start ;) The plan was to base it off of the existant stygian powers in complete psionics. To make a 14 level prestige class which over the course gives some power over undead and transforms him into a psi-lich. Entry requirements will require at least level 6, meaning he won't reach lich-dom till character level 20. The class will require a psicrystal which will eventually be subsumed into the creature's body and become a psionic Mother Cyst granting access to psionic versions of the cyst spells. As for the source of his power, I think psionically creating negative energy, as by the stygian ray and other powers, will suffice as a fluff explaination. Just so you know, in this setting psionics and magic are different. There is no interaction betwixt the two, to the point that a psionic power can pass through a magical wall of force. I'm not the DM, but I am helping him come up with fun stuff on the side. We are using the psianimate dead power from Hyperconscious as well as some other undead-affecting psionics from other sources. He is also allowing some spells to have psionic variants which channel negative energy psionically to do essentially the same thing. I will make a new thread for the class when I've finished the initial version. What would you suggest for ML progression? Right now I have a 12/14 manifester progression. This could be decreased to 11/14 and still grant 9th level powers at level 20.
Molot 09-05-07, 09:40 AM	What would you suggest for ML progression? Right now I have a 12/14 manifester progression. This could be decreased to 11/14 and still grant 9th level powers at level 20.I think 9'th level powers seems a must-have, but it all depends on the overall power of the class. More you put in other bonuses, less you can put into ML. It's impossible to know the balance now ;) I'd say minimal ML needed for 9'th level powers and then go on with other bonuses to fill the freed "power space" (in the meaning from "power curve", not from "power points" ;) )
forsaken1111 09-05-07, 11:22 AM	It may be good, it may be crap. Here's the class, tell me what you think. It took me a while to get all my thoughts down coherantly. :D http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=13673567#post13673567