[Question] Tome of Battle / Magic of Incarnum [Archive] - Wizards Community

[Question] Tome of Battle / Magic of Incarnum [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Napaten
04-09-08, 04:14 AM Im looking for a prestiegeclass that could combine swordsage and Totemist in a nice way. Im playing an Evolved Gravetouched Ghoul with two CL:s of swordsage, and I'm looking to multiclass him, possibly Totemist. But I'm Wondering if there is a third option later on.

if anyone has any knowledge, or selfmade prestiegeclasses i could run by my DM i would be greatful
Sinfire Titan
04-09-08, 04:43 AM Well, first off, there is only one of them. Here ya go (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=827020).

2nd: Gravetouched Ghoul is so sub-optimal for anything Incarnum and even Swordsage (the LA is high). Your Meldshaper level takes a huge hit, and the lack of Con score makes you waste another feat (and on a crappy one at that).

Plus, the HP payoff from the d12s you get is very poor. On average, you get 6.5 HP. With d8s and a +2 Con (14/15 in your score, and that is easy on PB) you will be getting the exact same, but you will also have a bare minimum of 3 HP, instead of 1 HP. The only way being an Undead Meldshaping Martial Adept is if you are getting Cha to HP and get a huge bonus to Cha without a high LA.

But I can see why you want Totemist+Swordsage. Natural Attacks+Boosts=Dead Enemies. Hell, with Burning Blade alone, you are talking a potential 4-6 attacks, each of which deal 1d6+your IL in fire damage. Against anything without Fire resistance or immunity, and you are talking Instagib.

If you can, ditch the Gravetouched Ghoul idea. If not (or it you are getting the entire thing free of LA/HD) then I recomend not multiclassing out of Swordsage unless you are taking Master of Nine or Shadow Sun Ninja.
Napaten
04-09-08, 07:24 AM Yes, Incarnum ain't the best alternative for me. I think i will pureplay him for a while. Maybe some levels of dread necromancer just for the thrills of it? That would really be a killer combo, wouldn't it
Sinfire Titan
04-09-08, 07:53 AM Yes, Incarnum ain't the best alternative for me. I think i will pureplay him for a while. Maybe some levels of dread necromancer just for the thrills of it? That would really be a killer combo, wouldn't it

The lose of CL is what hurts you too much. This is seriously weaker than it should be at the level you are playing it at. It is the problem with LA and Racial HD. They are just too weak to work right. It isn't likely to survive the first few encounters.

DN? If you take DN levels, be a Human with Tomb-Tainted Soul. Then become a Lich at 20th. Or just play it like it were any other spellcaster.

And no, a Gravetouched Ghoul would be just plain dead.

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Napaten 04-09-08, 04:14 AM	Im looking for a prestiegeclass that could combine swordsage and Totemist in a nice way. Im playing an Evolved Gravetouched Ghoul with two CL:s of swordsage, and I'm looking to multiclass him, possibly Totemist. But I'm Wondering if there is a third option later on. if anyone has any knowledge, or selfmade prestiegeclasses i could run by my DM i would be greatful
Sinfire Titan 04-09-08, 04:43 AM	Well, first off, there is only one of them. Here ya go (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=827020). 2nd: Gravetouched Ghoul is so sub-optimal for anything Incarnum and even Swordsage (the LA is high). Your Meldshaper level takes a huge hit, and the lack of Con score makes you waste another feat (and on a crappy one at that). Plus, the HP payoff from the d12s you get is very poor. On average, you get 6.5 HP. With d8s and a +2 Con (14/15 in your score, and that is easy on PB) you will be getting the exact same, but you will also have a bare minimum of 3 HP, instead of 1 HP. The only way being an Undead Meldshaping Martial Adept is if you are getting Cha to HP and get a huge bonus to Cha without a high LA. But I can see why you want Totemist+Swordsage. Natural Attacks+Boosts=Dead Enemies. Hell, with Burning Blade alone, you are talking a potential 4-6 attacks, each of which deal 1d6+your IL in fire damage. Against anything without Fire resistance or immunity, and you are talking Instagib. If you can, ditch the Gravetouched Ghoul idea. If not (or it you are getting the entire thing free of LA/HD) then I recomend not multiclassing out of Swordsage unless you are taking Master of Nine or Shadow Sun Ninja.
Napaten 04-09-08, 07:24 AM	Yes, Incarnum ain't the best alternative for me. I think i will pureplay him for a while. Maybe some levels of dread necromancer just for the thrills of it? That would really be a killer combo, wouldn't it
Sinfire Titan 04-09-08, 07:53 AM	Yes, Incarnum ain't the best alternative for me. I think i will pureplay him for a while. Maybe some levels of dread necromancer just for the thrills of it? That would really be a killer combo, wouldn't it The lose of CL is what hurts you too much. This is seriously weaker than it should be at the level you are playing it at. It is the problem with LA and Racial HD. They are just too weak to work right. It isn't likely to survive the first few encounters. DN? If you take DN levels, be a Human with Tomb-Tainted Soul. Then become a Lich at 20th. Or just play it like it were any other spellcaster. And no, a Gravetouched Ghoul would be just plain dead.