Recomend me a class. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Recomend me a class. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Elf_Jedi
03-01-08, 11:59 AM OK, I am having a problem finding a prestige class, for two reasons really. There are just so many out there and I not really sure of what I want. I am a 13 fighter/1 rogue. The problem I seem to be having is all of the classes that I have looked at are very polarized. What I mean by that is, alignment wise you either have to lawful good or chaotic evil and I am having a problem with this because I am what you would call "neutral evil", (in reality we're being very loose with alignment). I just can't seem to "fit". Any suggestions?

Thanks in Advance. :cool:
dman11235
03-01-08, 12:03 PM Woahwoahwoah, you are fighter what now?

And you're being loose with alignment and you haven't gotten rid of alignment restrictions?
Dog_O_War
03-01-08, 12:05 PM OK, I am having a problem finding a prestige class, for two reasons really. There are just so many out there and I not really sure of what I want. I am a 13 fighter/1 rogue. The problem I seem to be having is all of the classes that I have looked at are very polarized. What I mean by that is, alignment wise you either have to lawful good or chaotic evil and I am having a problem with this because I am what you would call "neutral evil", (in reality we're being very loose with alignment). I just can't seem to "fit". Any suggestions?

Thanks in Advance. :cool:

The answer is; continue advancing as fighter/rogue. If only these classes have peak your interest thus far, then you should just stay with them (I assume your first level was in rogue, purely for the skill points?).

I suggest advancing to 14 in fighter, then as rogue every level there after.
The_Shaman
03-01-08, 12:22 PM Nightsong enforcer from CAdventurer is nice for fighter/rogues, but you need evasion for it. Also... any chance you can retrain a few fighter levels? 13 would be a tad too much imo. On the other hand, if you've taken 1 rogue level, you might as well take a few more... Fighter 12/rogue 2 or fighter 10/rogue 4 should work quite well.
Elf_Jedi
03-01-08, 04:54 PM A few things:

1. I'm the tank. I took 13 levels in fighter for bonus feats and HP.

2. We're not doing alignment persay, but my prestige class has to be approved by my DM and he's not going to let me take something that is not my character.

3. Rogue really didn't peak my interest, I did it because no one else in my group had any skills.

4. My DM said, "No, your not a n00b" to retraining.
Cartigan
03-01-08, 06:20 PM What do you want to do. And I've seen alot more classes with "any evil" or not alignment restrictions than I have with specific evil ones. Maybe you should show us the kinds of things you were looking at so we could get an idea of what you want.
Nathreet
03-01-08, 06:50 PM dragon disciple (after a level of sorc or bard or assasin to meet the pre-reqs)
assasin
duelist

Shadowdancer (sneaky) or horizon walker (skills and special abilities) might be possibilities too, but they require a lot of feats and they might not have what you want. Duelist is also a so-so option. I'd go dragon disciple or assasin or both, depending on the direction you want to take. Dragon disciple boosts your warrior stats a lot and gives a breath weapon. Assasin is like a rogue with less skill points and more poison/death. Best option with DMG prestige classes IMO is assasin 1/dragon disciple 4/any 1. Check all the pre-reqs first, b/c those may give you some trouble.
Cartigan
03-01-08, 07:04 PM dragon disciple (after a level of sorc or bard or assasin to meet the pre-reqs)
assasin
duelist

Shadowdancer (sneaky) or horizon walker (skills and special abilities) might be possibilities too, but they require a lot of feats and they might not have what you want. Duelist is also a so-so option. I'd go dragon disciple or assasin or both, depending on the direction you want to take. Dragon disciple boosts your warrior stats a lot and gives a breath weapon. Assasin is like a rogue with less skill points and more poison/death. Best option with DMG prestige classes IMO is assasin 1/dragon disciple 4/any 1. Check all the pre-reqs first, b/c those may give you some trouble.
That's so full of fail I don't know where to begin. Well I do - the DMG is a really bad place to get PrCs unless you know one of the PrCs in there does exactly what you want.
The_Shaman
03-01-08, 07:57 PM A few things:

1. I'm the tank. I took 13 levels in fighter for bonus feats and HP.

You see, odd levels of fighter aren't very good - they don't give feats, for example, and that's usually why you take fighter levels in the first place. 10 or 12 wouldn't detract too much from your tank role, but would allow you to take another level... Too late for that now, I guess. As for rogue levels, 3 more won't hit your BAB anymore, and the skills or abilities should make up for another 2 feats you could take. Just sayin', if you're interested.

For a PrC, I'd probably point you in the direction of something that improves your saves and gives a bonus feat or two. The Pious Templar from CDivine and the Divine Champion from PGtF are both good for that, and tend to make you a bit more resilient to spells and similar abilities. Or do you have something else in mind?
DonThelonious
03-02-08, 01:26 PM Ravager from CW might be nice, and I think he could easily qualify.
vlsigma
03-02-08, 01:33 PM Three words: Ghost. Faced. Killer. You get extra sneak attacks, invisibility, death attacks, and it's just damn cool looking. It's in the Complete Adventurer.
DonThelonious
03-02-08, 06:35 PM Three words: Ghost. Faced. Killer. You get extra sneak attacks, invisibility, death attacks, and it's just damn cool looking. It's in the Complete Adventurer.

Seconded:D
Carpe Diem
03-08-08, 10:33 PM First, never end a fighter progression on an odd level. So take it up to 14th, get your bonus feat, then start looking around.

PrCing into something flavourful often requires that you have some kind of mental characteristic, so how are are your Int, Wis and Cha scores? The Ghost Faced Killer is pretty cool, but you missed the opportunity for a lot of the coolest abilities by looking so late in your progression. If you've got Cha and you don't mind keeping it simple, just go for the Blackguard. You only need to be evil, you've likely met most of the prerequisites except for maybe Improved Sunder (which you could buy with your bonus feat).

During the course of your five levels, you will get a couple uses of smite good, add your Cha bonus to all your saves, dish a -2 to your enemy's saves, get the ability to use poison (and a small selection of spells, if you've got the Wis) and at 20th level, a fiendish companion. Rebuke Undead won't be very useful, but you qualify for Divine feats, which are pretty cool.
elyse
03-14-08, 05:12 PM I also agree that you should take one more level of fighter to get one more feat.

Ghost Faced Killer and Nightsong Enforcer are both good ones.

Dervish is always a good answer for any kind of fighter. It has a lot of feat requirements, but it's always good.

I think Occult Slayer is fun, you get spell turning.

Some fun BVD stuff...
-Cancer Mage (gives you sneak attack and eventually DISEASE FORM)
-Disciple of Dispater (you can rust off people's weapons and armor)
-Warrior of Darkness (it's anointed knight for bad guys)
The_Shaman
03-14-08, 07:09 PM First, never end a fighter progression on an odd level. So take it up to 14th, get your bonus feat, then start looking around.

Just to note: the one possible exception to fighter levels comes if you're using the Zhentarim sub levels from the Champions of Valor web enhancement. Even then... meh.
teshen
03-15-08, 01:35 AM I have to second another level of rogue and nightsong enforcer.

Since most of the good choices have already been suggested, I'll throw out the mediocre ones...

Animal lord gives alright numbers but the class abilities aren't that great... it's good for a few levels. You probably can't meet the prerequisite of 8 ranks of survival, but highland stalker would be good for the skirmish for a few levels. Dread commando could work for you if you find yourself needing to decrease your armor check penalty some...

If you have decent dexterity and you're going in medium or light armor, think about going another level in rogue and then one, two, or three in swashbuckler. One level in barbarian at level fifteen or eighteen can be combined with the feat extra rage can be good, especially with the right substitution features, possibly frenzy (unearthed arcana) and pounce (complete champion). I'm suggesting the multiclassing under the assumption you have favored class fighter.

Ranger might even be good for a few levels... especially with urban features (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20070228a) to synergize with some of the roguish skills...
tenguroEd
03-15-08, 01:41 AM If possible, Retrain, or somehow switch out some of your feats,IE psychic reformation, for Martial study, and go into a PrC in ToB, like the Bloodstorm blade.
IdleAltruism
03-15-08, 02:13 AM PrCs are generally pretty specific in their requirements. Giving you any advice without knowing things like skills/feats/attributes would really just be shooting in the dark. From the vague description you give do you really need to worry about a PrC? You're already 14th level....How far and fast is this campaign progressing? What are you looking for in a PrC? I agree with going another level of fighter and possibly 1 more rogue(hell you got 13 levels of fighter you could just go 18/2)

For more meleeish evil type blackguard could work well, progress some sneak attack damage, with some access to spells, and CHA to saves. Prereqs aren't bad for a fighter. If I recall correctly it has a requirement of Any Evil.

You could be a Street Fighter! CAdv, it's a terrible class, but why should that stop you!? Maybe Dread Pirate? I really have no idea what your character is other than a level 13 fighter(which basically reveals nothing). For all I know you have toughness taken 6 times and exotic weapon gnome hook hammer.

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Elf_Jedi 03-01-08, 11:59 AM	OK, I am having a problem finding a prestige class, for two reasons really. There are just so many out there and I not really sure of what I want. I am a 13 fighter/1 rogue. The problem I seem to be having is all of the classes that I have looked at are very polarized. What I mean by that is, alignment wise you either have to lawful good or chaotic evil and I am having a problem with this because I am what you would call "neutral evil", (in reality we're being very loose with alignment). I just can't seem to "fit". Any suggestions? Thanks in Advance. :cool:
dman11235 03-01-08, 12:03 PM	Woahwoahwoah, you are fighter what now? And you're being loose with alignment and you haven't gotten rid of alignment restrictions?
Dog_O_War 03-01-08, 12:05 PM	OK, I am having a problem finding a prestige class, for two reasons really. There are just so many out there and I not really sure of what I want. I am a 13 fighter/1 rogue. The problem I seem to be having is all of the classes that I have looked at are very polarized. What I mean by that is, alignment wise you either have to lawful good or chaotic evil and I am having a problem with this because I am what you would call "neutral evil", (in reality we're being very loose with alignment). I just can't seem to "fit". Any suggestions? Thanks in Advance. :cool: The answer is; continue advancing as fighter/rogue. If only these classes have peak your interest thus far, then you should just stay with them (I assume your first level was in rogue, purely for the skill points?). I suggest advancing to 14 in fighter, then as rogue every level there after.
The_Shaman 03-01-08, 12:22 PM	Nightsong enforcer from CAdventurer is nice for fighter/rogues, but you need evasion for it. Also... any chance you can retrain a few fighter levels? 13 would be a tad too much imo. On the other hand, if you've taken 1 rogue level, you might as well take a few more... Fighter 12/rogue 2 or fighter 10/rogue 4 should work quite well.
Elf_Jedi 03-01-08, 04:54 PM	A few things: 1. I'm the tank. I took 13 levels in fighter for bonus feats and HP. 2. We're not doing alignment persay, but my prestige class has to be approved by my DM and he's not going to let me take something that is not my character. 3. Rogue really didn't peak my interest, I did it because no one else in my group had any skills. 4. My DM said, "No, your not a n00b" to retraining.
Cartigan 03-01-08, 06:20 PM	What do you want to do. And I've seen alot more classes with "any evil" or not alignment restrictions than I have with specific evil ones. Maybe you should show us the kinds of things you were looking at so we could get an idea of what you want.
Nathreet 03-01-08, 06:50 PM	dragon disciple (after a level of sorc or bard or assasin to meet the pre-reqs) assasin duelist Shadowdancer (sneaky) or horizon walker (skills and special abilities) might be possibilities too, but they require a lot of feats and they might not have what you want. Duelist is also a so-so option. I'd go dragon disciple or assasin or both, depending on the direction you want to take. Dragon disciple boosts your warrior stats a lot and gives a breath weapon. Assasin is like a rogue with less skill points and more poison/death. Best option with DMG prestige classes IMO is assasin 1/dragon disciple 4/any 1. Check all the pre-reqs first, b/c those may give you some trouble.
Cartigan 03-01-08, 07:04 PM	dragon disciple (after a level of sorc or bard or assasin to meet the pre-reqs) assasin duelist Shadowdancer (sneaky) or horizon walker (skills and special abilities) might be possibilities too, but they require a lot of feats and they might not have what you want. Duelist is also a so-so option. I'd go dragon disciple or assasin or both, depending on the direction you want to take. Dragon disciple boosts your warrior stats a lot and gives a breath weapon. Assasin is like a rogue with less skill points and more poison/death. Best option with DMG prestige classes IMO is assasin 1/dragon disciple 4/any 1. Check all the pre-reqs first, b/c those may give you some trouble. That's so full of fail I don't know where to begin. Well I do - the DMG is a really bad place to get PrCs unless you know one of the PrCs in there does exactly what you want.
The_Shaman 03-01-08, 07:57 PM	A few things: 1. I'm the tank. I took 13 levels in fighter for bonus feats and HP. You see, odd levels of fighter aren't very good - they don't give feats, for example, and that's usually why you take fighter levels in the first place. 10 or 12 wouldn't detract too much from your tank role, but would allow you to take another level... Too late for that now, I guess. As for rogue levels, 3 more won't hit your BAB anymore, and the skills or abilities should make up for another 2 feats you could take. Just sayin', if you're interested. For a PrC, I'd probably point you in the direction of something that improves your saves and gives a bonus feat or two. The Pious Templar from CDivine and the Divine Champion from PGtF are both good for that, and tend to make you a bit more resilient to spells and similar abilities. Or do you have something else in mind?
DonThelonious 03-02-08, 01:26 PM	Ravager from CW might be nice, and I think he could easily qualify.
vlsigma 03-02-08, 01:33 PM	Three words: Ghost. Faced. Killer. You get extra sneak attacks, invisibility, death attacks, and it's just damn cool looking. It's in the Complete Adventurer.
DonThelonious 03-02-08, 06:35 PM	Three words: Ghost. Faced. Killer. You get extra sneak attacks, invisibility, death attacks, and it's just damn cool looking. It's in the Complete Adventurer. Seconded:D
Carpe Diem 03-08-08, 10:33 PM	First, never end a fighter progression on an odd level. So take it up to 14th, get your bonus feat, then start looking around. PrCing into something flavourful often requires that you have some kind of mental characteristic, so how are are your Int, Wis and Cha scores? The Ghost Faced Killer is pretty cool, but you missed the opportunity for a lot of the coolest abilities by looking so late in your progression. If you've got Cha and you don't mind keeping it simple, just go for the Blackguard. You only need to be evil, you've likely met most of the prerequisites except for maybe Improved Sunder (which you could buy with your bonus feat). During the course of your five levels, you will get a couple uses of smite good, add your Cha bonus to all your saves, dish a -2 to your enemy's saves, get the ability to use poison (and a small selection of spells, if you've got the Wis) and at 20th level, a fiendish companion. Rebuke Undead won't be very useful, but you qualify for Divine feats, which are pretty cool.
elyse 03-14-08, 05:12 PM	I also agree that you should take one more level of fighter to get one more feat. Ghost Faced Killer and Nightsong Enforcer are both good ones. Dervish is always a good answer for any kind of fighter. It has a lot of feat requirements, but it's always good. I think Occult Slayer is fun, you get spell turning. Some fun BVD stuff... -Cancer Mage (gives you sneak attack and eventually DISEASE FORM) -Disciple of Dispater (you can rust off people's weapons and armor) -Warrior of Darkness (it's anointed knight for bad guys)
The_Shaman 03-14-08, 07:09 PM	First, never end a fighter progression on an odd level. So take it up to 14th, get your bonus feat, then start looking around. Just to note: the one possible exception to fighter levels comes if you're using the Zhentarim sub levels from the Champions of Valor web enhancement. Even then... meh.
teshen 03-15-08, 01:35 AM	I have to second another level of rogue and nightsong enforcer. Since most of the good choices have already been suggested, I'll throw out the mediocre ones... Animal lord gives alright numbers but the class abilities aren't that great... it's good for a few levels. You probably can't meet the prerequisite of 8 ranks of survival, but highland stalker would be good for the skirmish for a few levels. Dread commando could work for you if you find yourself needing to decrease your armor check penalty some... If you have decent dexterity and you're going in medium or light armor, think about going another level in rogue and then one, two, or three in swashbuckler. One level in barbarian at level fifteen or eighteen can be combined with the feat extra rage can be good, especially with the right substitution features, possibly frenzy (unearthed arcana) and pounce (complete champion). I'm suggesting the multiclassing under the assumption you have favored class fighter. Ranger might even be good for a few levels... especially with urban features (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20070228a) to synergize with some of the roguish skills...
tenguroEd 03-15-08, 01:41 AM	If possible, Retrain, or somehow switch out some of your feats,IE psychic reformation, for Martial study, and go into a PrC in ToB, like the Bloodstorm blade.
IdleAltruism 03-15-08, 02:13 AM	PrCs are generally pretty specific in their requirements. Giving you any advice without knowing things like skills/feats/attributes would really just be shooting in the dark. From the vague description you give do you really need to worry about a PrC? You're already 14th level....How far and fast is this campaign progressing? What are you looking for in a PrC? I agree with going another level of fighter and possibly 1 more rogue(hell you got 13 levels of fighter you could just go 18/2) For more meleeish evil type blackguard could work well, progress some sneak attack damage, with some access to spells, and CHA to saves. Prereqs aren't bad for a fighter. If I recall correctly it has a requirement of Any Evil. You could be a Street Fighter! CAdv, it's a terrible class, but why should that stop you!? Maybe Dread Pirate? I really have no idea what your character is other than a level 13 fighter(which basically reveals nothing). For all I know you have toughness taken 6 times and exotic weapon gnome hook hammer.