Ruby Knight Vindicator [Archive] - Wizards Community

Ruby Knight Vindicator [Archive] - Wizards Community

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AGM Illmater
05-12-07, 06:22 PM So I need a new character for Sundays game. We are playing a Planescape style game. I have no idea if this will be a one shot or a full campaign. I have decided to play a RKV for ToB. My question is this. For the first 5 levels, how should I split Crusader and Cleric?

Should I go Crusader 3/Cleric 2/RKV 1?

Or Crusader 2/ Cleric 3/ RKV 1?

With the first one I get 3rd level Maneuvers and 1st level spells.

With the second I get 2 level Maneuvers and spells.

Either way I will have a +5 BAB decent Fort and Will saves (crappy Ref save) and some good variety. For my maneuvers I will of course have the healing one, but I will be focusing alot on the bypass DR strikes from both Devoted and Stone.
glacialcat
05-12-07, 06:26 PM I'd recommend 1 Crusader/4 Cleric actually. That will allow you to get 9th level spells by 20th level, which tend to be stronger than anything a maneuver could do. You'll get 3rd level spells one level sooner. Take Crusader as your 5th level though, so you can access 2nd level maneuvers.
Chimaera2000
05-12-07, 06:38 PM The ultimate choice is whether you want more maneuvers or spellcasting. That'll just depend on your playstyle and character concept. Generally, it's more optimal to take as many levels in a spellcasting class as possible, as full spellcasting is the most powerful class feature in D & D overall. With that in mind, the most optimal RKV build is probably:

Cleric 3/Church Inquisitor 6/Crusader 1/Ruby Knight Vindicator 10.

The more common build will probably be this, though:

Cleric 4/Crusader 1/Ruby Knight Vindicator 10/Church Inquisitor 5.

Given what I know of your campaign, I would say that you might want to consider a less optimized approach if you don't know how long the campaign is going to last. Unless you like clerics a lot (I personally do), I'd consider going for Crusader 1/Cleric 3/Crusader +1 because crusaders are hella' fun to play. You will fall behind on your spellcasting, but you'll have maneuver access straight from level one.

This post might give you some ideas, but it really comes down to what you want.
AGM Illmater
05-12-07, 06:44 PM The main reason I wanted to get at least 2 levels of Crusader in before RKV is so I will have 3 Stances available at that level...though I guess I should look at going 1 Crusader/4 Cleric for spell casting purposes. I would still be a 4th level Initiate for maneuvers and stances....hmm.

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AGM Illmater 05-12-07, 06:22 PM	So I need a new character for Sundays game. We are playing a Planescape style game. I have no idea if this will be a one shot or a full campaign. I have decided to play a RKV for ToB. My question is this. For the first 5 levels, how should I split Crusader and Cleric? Should I go Crusader 3/Cleric 2/RKV 1? Or Crusader 2/ Cleric 3/ RKV 1? With the first one I get 3rd level Maneuvers and 1st level spells. With the second I get 2 level Maneuvers and spells. Either way I will have a +5 BAB decent Fort and Will saves (crappy Ref save) and some good variety. For my maneuvers I will of course have the healing one, but I will be focusing alot on the bypass DR strikes from both Devoted and Stone.
glacialcat 05-12-07, 06:26 PM	I'd recommend 1 Crusader/4 Cleric actually. That will allow you to get 9th level spells by 20th level, which tend to be stronger than anything a maneuver could do. You'll get 3rd level spells one level sooner. Take Crusader as your 5th level though, so you can access 2nd level maneuvers.
Chimaera2000 05-12-07, 06:38 PM	The ultimate choice is whether you want more maneuvers or spellcasting. That'll just depend on your playstyle and character concept. Generally, it's more optimal to take as many levels in a spellcasting class as possible, as full spellcasting is the most powerful class feature in D & D overall. With that in mind, the most optimal RKV build is probably: Cleric 3/Church Inquisitor 6/Crusader 1/Ruby Knight Vindicator 10. The more common build will probably be this, though: Cleric 4/Crusader 1/Ruby Knight Vindicator 10/Church Inquisitor 5. Given what I know of your campaign, I would say that you might want to consider a less optimized approach if you don't know how long the campaign is going to last. Unless you like clerics a lot (I personally do), I'd consider going for Crusader 1/Cleric 3/Crusader +1 because crusaders are hella' fun to play. You will fall behind on your spellcasting, but you'll have maneuver access straight from level one. This post might give you some ideas, but it really comes down to what you want.
AGM Illmater 05-12-07, 06:44 PM	The main reason I wanted to get at least 2 levels of Crusader in before RKV is so I will have 3 Stances available at that level...though I guess I should look at going 1 Crusader/4 Cleric for spell casting purposes. I would still be a 4th level Initiate for maneuvers and stances....hmm.