Shadowcraft Mage ? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Shadowcraft Mage ? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Magicianguy131
03-18-07, 04:29 PM Does the Shadowcraft's Mage's "Cloak of Shadows" give him, basically, Hide in Plain Sight?

Page 121:

"While her claok of shadows is active, a shadowcraft mage can make a Hide check as if she had concealment?

Thanks!
calronmoonflower
03-18-07, 06:29 PM By the wording I would say yes.
Bopple
03-18-07, 09:15 PM No, it does not.
It gives you concealment. That's it. It does not give you the ability to hide while being observed.
calronmoonflower
03-19-07, 12:06 AM Oops. Wroung ability. It would be like Camuflage, but in any surrounding.
Tempest Stormwind
03-19-07, 11:53 PM To hide, you need two things:

1) Concealment.
2) To be unobserved.

Cloak of Shadows provides the first in all but bright light, Camouflage removes the need for 1 altogether. Hide in Plain Sight provides the last.

Reread the Hide skill description; it's clear there.

Note that there are other ways to gain Hide in Plain Sight. If you're playing a shadowcraft mage, my personal favorite is a collar of umbral darkness (Tome of Magic, shadow magic section) -- it makes you a Dark creature with Hide in Plain Sight. The REAL reason you use that collar, though, is because if you're also holding a rod of embassy (or cast Planar Bubble), you now automatically maximize any Shadow spell you cast, and gain +10% reality to all of them.
Avatar4886
03-20-07, 03:45 AM Rod of Embassy? Which book (and preferably page number) is that from?
Tempest Stormwind
03-20-07, 09:27 AM Rod of Embassy? Which book (and preferably page number) is that from?

Arms & Equipment Guide, though it MIGHT have been reprinted in the Magic Item Compendium.

Planar Bubble (Planar Handbook) might be the only 3.5 way of doing what this does, though -- the former treats you as being on your home plane while the latter brings a piece of that plane to you. The collar sets your native plane to the Plane of Shadow, which... yup, maximizes and adds +10% reality to shadow spells.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Magicianguy131 03-18-07, 04:29 PM	Does the Shadowcraft's Mage's "Cloak of Shadows" give him, basically, Hide in Plain Sight? Page 121: "While her claok of shadows is active, a shadowcraft mage can make a Hide check as if she had concealment? Thanks!
calronmoonflower 03-18-07, 06:29 PM	By the wording I would say yes.
Bopple 03-18-07, 09:15 PM	No, it does not. It gives you concealment. That's it. It does not give you the ability to hide while being observed.
calronmoonflower 03-19-07, 12:06 AM	Oops. Wroung ability. It would be like Camuflage, but in any surrounding.
Tempest Stormwind 03-19-07, 11:53 PM	To hide, you need two things: 1) Concealment. 2) To be unobserved. Cloak of Shadows provides the first in all but bright light, Camouflage removes the need for 1 altogether. Hide in Plain Sight provides the last. Reread the Hide skill description; it's clear there. Note that there are other ways to gain Hide in Plain Sight. If you're playing a shadowcraft mage, my personal favorite is a collar of umbral darkness (Tome of Magic, shadow magic section) -- it makes you a Dark creature with Hide in Plain Sight. The REAL reason you use that collar, though, is because if you're also holding a rod of embassy (or cast Planar Bubble), you now automatically maximize any Shadow spell you cast, and gain +10% reality to all of them.
Avatar4886 03-20-07, 03:45 AM	Rod of Embassy? Which book (and preferably page number) is that from?
Tempest Stormwind 03-20-07, 09:27 AM	Rod of Embassy? Which book (and preferably page number) is that from? Arms & Equipment Guide, though it MIGHT have been reprinted in the Magic Item Compendium. Planar Bubble (Planar Handbook) might be the only 3.5 way of doing what this does, though -- the former treats you as being on your home plane while the latter brings a piece of that plane to you. The collar sets your native plane to the Plane of Shadow, which... yup, maximizes and adds +10% reality to shadow spells.