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soulknife kensai [Archive] - Wizards Community

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vlsigma
03-02-08, 01:10 PM If I'm reading this correctly, Kensai can use natural weapons as their signature weapon, so a soulknife's mindblade would work for this. Would I be able to stack the enhancement bonuses from both the Kensai and the soulknife? If so, would this allow me to inbue powers on it not normally accessable from the Mindblade enhancement list? Thanks in advance.
no-sides-sameeth
03-02-08, 01:43 PM I allow it it my game, but not for the reason you state. I don't think that a Mindblade is a natural weapon. I do think that it is treated as a shortsword (or bastardsword or whatever) for the purposes of feats and PrCs, thus it is treated like any other shortsword. I would require that a Soulknife be of sufficient level to imbue the Mindblade with a minimum of +1 enhancement because the Kensai's weapon must be of at least Masterwork quality (althouth how the requirement for a Masterwork quality weapon interacts with natural weapons, which also may be a Kensai's signature weapon, I am not sure. Can you have masterwork fists?)
Cartigan
03-02-08, 02:30 PM If I'm reading this correctly, Kensai can use natural weapons as their signature weapon, so a soulknife's mindblade would work for this. Would I be able to stack the enhancement bonuses from both the Kensai and the soulknife? If so, would this allow me to inbue powers on it not normally accessable from the Mindblade enhancement list? Thanks in advance.
Enhancement bonuses won't stack.
dman11235
03-02-08, 02:50 PM Soulknifes cannot use the Kensai's Imbue Weapon ability, because the mindblade is neither a natural weapon or a masterwork weapon. It also would not be that wise to take the PrC, as the enhancement bonuses would not stack, and you would need to take a couple levels before you could do anything. The soulknife by level 8 would give you a +2 mindblade with a +1 ability. You'd need four kensai levels in order to put a single +1 ability on it. In other words, the kensai will only let you advance the weapon beyond what it is already, and you would pay the experience of making it a +4 weapon.

That's why I wouldn't allow it to work. To protect the player from wasting levels.
vlsigma
03-02-08, 03:59 PM appreciate the help everyone. Does anyone have a suggestion then for a prestige class for the Soulknife, or should I just stick with it to the end?
vlsigma
03-05-08, 02:21 PM just doin a quick bump
teshen
03-05-08, 02:39 PM Soulknife build guide. (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=372176)

Also, this is more of a psionics question, so the psionics forums would likely have better suggestions... either that or the character optimization board. However, if you head over there (character op), read the faq first and follow the posting guidelines.

If you don't, I take no responsibility for the resulting verbal slaughter... I'll laugh at it, though. :D
vlsigma
03-05-08, 03:20 PM Didn't know about this thread. Thanks for the heads up Teshen. Well, that's it for this thread. Later all!
archerpwr
03-05-08, 04:10 PM Soulknifes cannot use the Kensai's Imbue Weapon ability, because the mindblade is neither a natural weapon or a masterwork weapon. It also would not be that wise to take the PrC, as the enhancement bonuses would not stack, and you would need to take a couple levels before you could do anything. The soulknife by level 8 would give you a +2 mindblade with a +1 ability. You'd need four kensai levels in order to put a single +1 ability on it. In other words, the kensai will only let you advance the weapon beyond what it is already, and you would pay the experience of making it a +4 weapon.

That's why I wouldn't allow it to work. To protect the player from wasting levels.

Magic weapons have enhancement bonuses ranging from +1 to +5. They apply these bonuses to both attack and damage rolls when used in combat. All magic weapons are also masterwork weapons, but their masterwork bonus on attack rolls does not stack with their enhancement bonus on attack rolls.
Mindblades have a permanent enhancement bonus of +1 to attack and damage, so are magic, right? All magic weapons are a subcategory of masterwork weapons, no?
dman11235
03-05-08, 04:31 PM If that were true archer, then any character with the VoP would automatically lose their vow after picking up a quaterstaff. Non-master-work. A weapon needs to be masterwork for you to put magic enhancements on it, but not all magic enhanced weapons need to be master work. Examples: VoP characters, soulknifes, and monks with an amulet of mighty fists. They all have magic weapons, but none of them are master work. Also, you don't need a masterwork weapon to cast magic weapon on it.
Cartigan
03-05-08, 05:32 PM If that were true archer, then any character with the VoP would automatically lose their vow after picking up a quaterstaff. Non-master-work.
Vow of Peace? Vow of Poverty? Vow of other P words. Using acronyms where multiple things can be interpreted is dumb.

Also, clubs and quarterstaves have no value...

PPS. Magical enhancement != magical weapon. He is right, magic weapons are a subset of masterwork weapons.
dman11235
03-05-08, 05:41 PM Poverty. I think you could piece together that that was the VoP I was using.

I can list three different ways to have a magical weapon without it being masterwork:
Casting Magic Weapon on a normal weapon.
A monk with an Amulet of Mighty Fists.
A character with the VoPov and a quarter staff.

EDIT: I know they have no value. That's why I used them.
archerpwr
03-05-08, 06:47 PM If that were true archer, then any character with the VoP would automatically lose their vow after picking up a quaterstaff. Non-master-work. A weapon needs to be masterwork for you to put magic enhancements on it, but not all magic enhanced weapons need to be master work. Examples: VoP characters, soulknifes, and monks with an amulet of mighty fists. They all have magic weapons, but none of them are master work. Also, you don't need a masterwork weapon to cast magic weapon on it.

That's where sanity comes in. VoP applies to all attacks and is worded similarly to GMW. A mind blade simply is a +1 weapon.

In any case, there aren't any balance issues with soulknife and kensia.
dman11235
03-05-08, 06:49 PM No overpowering issues, but some underpower ones. The bonuses don't stack. I wouldn't allow it to protect the player. But meh.
Cartigan
03-05-08, 08:22 PM I can list three different ways to have a magical weapon without it being masterwork:
Casting Magic Weapon on a normal weapon.
A monk with an Amulet of Mighty Fists.
A character with the VoPov and a quarter staff.
That gives you an enhancement bonus to your weapon, it doesn't make the weapon magical. There is a subtle difference.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
vlsigma 03-02-08, 01:10 PM	If I'm reading this correctly, Kensai can use natural weapons as their signature weapon, so a soulknife's mindblade would work for this. Would I be able to stack the enhancement bonuses from both the Kensai and the soulknife? If so, would this allow me to inbue powers on it not normally accessable from the Mindblade enhancement list? Thanks in advance.
no-sides-sameeth 03-02-08, 01:43 PM	I allow it it my game, but not for the reason you state. I don't think that a Mindblade is a natural weapon. I do think that it is treated as a shortsword (or bastardsword or whatever) for the purposes of feats and PrCs, thus it is treated like any other shortsword. I would require that a Soulknife be of sufficient level to imbue the Mindblade with a minimum of +1 enhancement because the Kensai's weapon must be of at least Masterwork quality (althouth how the requirement for a Masterwork quality weapon interacts with natural weapons, which also may be a Kensai's signature weapon, I am not sure. Can you have masterwork fists?)
Cartigan 03-02-08, 02:30 PM	If I'm reading this correctly, Kensai can use natural weapons as their signature weapon, so a soulknife's mindblade would work for this. Would I be able to stack the enhancement bonuses from both the Kensai and the soulknife? If so, would this allow me to inbue powers on it not normally accessable from the Mindblade enhancement list? Thanks in advance. Enhancement bonuses won't stack.
dman11235 03-02-08, 02:50 PM	Soulknifes cannot use the Kensai's Imbue Weapon ability, because the mindblade is neither a natural weapon or a masterwork weapon. It also would not be that wise to take the PrC, as the enhancement bonuses would not stack, and you would need to take a couple levels before you could do anything. The soulknife by level 8 would give you a +2 mindblade with a +1 ability. You'd need four kensai levels in order to put a single +1 ability on it. In other words, the kensai will only let you advance the weapon beyond what it is already, and you would pay the experience of making it a +4 weapon. That's why I wouldn't allow it to work. To protect the player from wasting levels.
vlsigma 03-02-08, 03:59 PM	appreciate the help everyone. Does anyone have a suggestion then for a prestige class for the Soulknife, or should I just stick with it to the end?
vlsigma 03-05-08, 02:21 PM	just doin a quick bump
teshen 03-05-08, 02:39 PM	Soulknife build guide. (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=372176) Also, this is more of a psionics question, so the psionics forums would likely have better suggestions... either that or the character optimization board. However, if you head over there (character op), read the faq first and follow the posting guidelines. If you don't, I take no responsibility for the resulting verbal slaughter... I'll laugh at it, though. :D
vlsigma 03-05-08, 03:20 PM	Didn't know about this thread. Thanks for the heads up Teshen. Well, that's it for this thread. Later all!
archerpwr 03-05-08, 04:10 PM	Soulknifes cannot use the Kensai's Imbue Weapon ability, because the mindblade is neither a natural weapon or a masterwork weapon. It also would not be that wise to take the PrC, as the enhancement bonuses would not stack, and you would need to take a couple levels before you could do anything. The soulknife by level 8 would give you a +2 mindblade with a +1 ability. You'd need four kensai levels in order to put a single +1 ability on it. In other words, the kensai will only let you advance the weapon beyond what it is already, and you would pay the experience of making it a +4 weapon. That's why I wouldn't allow it to work. To protect the player from wasting levels. Magic weapons have enhancement bonuses ranging from +1 to +5. They apply these bonuses to both attack and damage rolls when used in combat. All magic weapons are also masterwork weapons, but their masterwork bonus on attack rolls does not stack with their enhancement bonus on attack rolls. Mindblades have a permanent enhancement bonus of +1 to attack and damage, so are magic, right? All magic weapons are a subcategory of masterwork weapons, no?
dman11235 03-05-08, 04:31 PM	If that were true archer, then any character with the VoP would automatically lose their vow after picking up a quaterstaff. Non-master-work. A weapon needs to be masterwork for you to put magic enhancements on it, but not all magic enhanced weapons need to be master work. Examples: VoP characters, soulknifes, and monks with an amulet of mighty fists. They all have magic weapons, but none of them are master work. Also, you don't need a masterwork weapon to cast magic weapon on it.
Cartigan 03-05-08, 05:32 PM	If that were true archer, then any character with the VoP would automatically lose their vow after picking up a quaterstaff. Non-master-work. Vow of Peace? Vow of Poverty? Vow of other P words. Using acronyms where multiple things can be interpreted is dumb. Also, clubs and quarterstaves have no value... PPS. Magical enhancement != magical weapon. He is right, magic weapons are a subset of masterwork weapons.
dman11235 03-05-08, 05:41 PM	Poverty. I think you could piece together that that was the VoP I was using. I can list three different ways to have a magical weapon without it being masterwork: Casting Magic Weapon on a normal weapon. A monk with an Amulet of Mighty Fists. A character with the VoPov and a quarter staff. EDIT: I know they have no value. That's why I used them.
archerpwr 03-05-08, 06:47 PM	If that were true archer, then any character with the VoP would automatically lose their vow after picking up a quaterstaff. Non-master-work. A weapon needs to be masterwork for you to put magic enhancements on it, but not all magic enhanced weapons need to be master work. Examples: VoP characters, soulknifes, and monks with an amulet of mighty fists. They all have magic weapons, but none of them are master work. Also, you don't need a masterwork weapon to cast magic weapon on it. That's where sanity comes in. VoP applies to all attacks and is worded similarly to GMW. A mind blade simply is a +1 weapon. In any case, there aren't any balance issues with soulknife and kensia.
dman11235 03-05-08, 06:49 PM	No overpowering issues, but some underpower ones. The bonuses don't stack. I wouldn't allow it to protect the player. But meh.
Cartigan 03-05-08, 08:22 PM	I can list three different ways to have a magical weapon without it being masterwork: Casting Magic Weapon on a normal weapon. A monk with an Amulet of Mighty Fists. A character with the VoPov and a quarter staff. That gives you an enhancement bonus to your weapon, it doesn't make the weapon magical. There is a subtle difference.