The Abjurant Armor ability (from the Abjurant Champion) only applies to Shield?? [Archive] - Wizards Community

The Abjurant Armor ability (from the Abjurant Champion) only applies to Shield?? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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bigdndfan
03-03-07, 10:19 AM Even though the text of the Abjurant Armor ability mentions Mage Armor (it's not a Abjuration spell) it looks as if the only Abjuration spell in the PHB that provides a shield of armor bonus to AC is the Shield spell.

(There is the Repelling Shield spell in Complete Mage, but that is just a varation of Shield)

My follow up question is what was the point of even mentioning the ability applies to Abjuration spells that grant armor bonuses to AC if there are no such spells??
Emeramber
03-03-07, 01:09 PM The official, short answer is: Yup.

Officially, the mage armor statement is pure fluff, not meant to imply that mage armor is affected, because mage armor is (oddly) conjuration. Luminous Armor (BoED) and its big brother are abjuration, but painful to cast.

The unofficial (and longer) answers will vary. Some people will suggest allowing it to work with Mage armor, either by specific esception or reclassifying Mage Armor to where it (imo) should be. Others will suggest researching abjuration equivalents, hardly an illogical option if your DM allows. Others still will wail about the coming apocalypse if that world-shattering brokenation is allowed, and decry the class for the overwhelming sin of being better than the Eldritch Knight, which, like the mystic theurge, is the paragon of balance and power rather than the prototype to test viability and balance, with room to ratchet up if needed or desired.

I guess it's obvious where I am...
The_Shaman
03-03-07, 03:29 PM Even though the text of the Abjurant Armor ability mentions Mage Armor (it's not a Abjuration spell) it looks as if the only Abjuration spell in the PHB that provides a shield of armor bonus to AC is the Shield spell.

(There is the Repelling Shield spell in Complete Mage, but that is just a varation of Shield)

My follow up question is what was the point of even mentioning the ability applies to Abjuration spells that grant armor bonuses to AC if there are no such spells??

AFAIK you do get your bonuses to the Shield spell. It's still imo quite useful... +9 to AC is more than a lot of armors will give you :)
Aminvelos
03-03-07, 05:14 PM It's a common mistake that most people make. "Abjurant champions rely on mage armor, shield, and similair spells instead of actual armor." This of course is because they would suffer from arcane spell failure. Just because it talks about abjurant ac bonus's many people come to the conclusion magearmor + Abjurant bonus.

Still 9+ is hefty armor for a mage, which makes sense because otherwise you could walk around for an entire dire before the spell went away otherwise, especially if you went UM as well.
The_Shaman
03-03-07, 05:30 PM I've also heard there's another spell somewhere in the SC that's eligible for AC empowerment. I thought the protection from alignment ones would also be, but apparently it doesn't apply to deflection bonuses.
Ariath Ska'Vhor
03-03-07, 05:32 PM I had an idea, what about making mage armor and shield duel school spells, both abjuration and conjuration.
Khael
03-03-07, 05:37 PM I had an idea, what about making mage armor and shield duel school spells, both abjuration and conjuration.

Been thought of. And again the reason normally for mage armour being conjuration is that, anyone giving up abjuration, for whatever reason can still get a solid defense spell, rather than totally hamstringing their physical personal defense (Though i also figure you'd be hamstringing yourself anyway by skipping ab.).

Myself. I'm fine with no abjuration mage armour. The shield is good enough for me, and i'm of the school of 'you've got full casting, BAB, d10 Hd, what's an extra powered mage amrour to you really, when you have shield?' Just get a pair of bracers of armour and stock your shields well.
bigdndfan
03-03-07, 05:44 PM I've also heard there's another spell somewhere in the SC that's eligible for AC empowerment.

There is Entropic Shield, but it only works against ghost touch and incoperal attacks (and the like), which the ordinary Shield already does (as it's a force spell).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
bigdndfan 03-03-07, 10:19 AM	Even though the text of the Abjurant Armor ability mentions Mage Armor (it's not a Abjuration spell) it looks as if the only Abjuration spell in the PHB that provides a shield of armor bonus to AC is the Shield spell. (There is the Repelling Shield spell in Complete Mage, but that is just a varation of Shield) My follow up question is what was the point of even mentioning the ability applies to Abjuration spells that grant armor bonuses to AC if there are no such spells??
Emeramber 03-03-07, 01:09 PM	The official, short answer is: Yup. Officially, the mage armor statement is pure fluff, not meant to imply that mage armor is affected, because mage armor is (oddly) conjuration. Luminous Armor (BoED) and its big brother are abjuration, but painful to cast. The unofficial (and longer) answers will vary. Some people will suggest allowing it to work with Mage armor, either by specific esception or reclassifying Mage Armor to where it (imo) should be. Others will suggest researching abjuration equivalents, hardly an illogical option if your DM allows. Others still will wail about the coming apocalypse if that world-shattering brokenation is allowed, and decry the class for the overwhelming sin of being better than the Eldritch Knight, which, like the mystic theurge, is the paragon of balance and power rather than the prototype to test viability and balance, with room to ratchet up if needed or desired. I guess it's obvious where I am...
The_Shaman 03-03-07, 03:29 PM	Even though the text of the Abjurant Armor ability mentions Mage Armor (it's not a Abjuration spell) it looks as if the only Abjuration spell in the PHB that provides a shield of armor bonus to AC is the Shield spell. (There is the Repelling Shield spell in Complete Mage, but that is just a varation of Shield) My follow up question is what was the point of even mentioning the ability applies to Abjuration spells that grant armor bonuses to AC if there are no such spells?? AFAIK you do get your bonuses to the Shield spell. It's still imo quite useful... +9 to AC is more than a lot of armors will give you :)
Aminvelos 03-03-07, 05:14 PM	It's a common mistake that most people make. "Abjurant champions rely on mage armor, shield, and similair spells instead of actual armor." This of course is because they would suffer from arcane spell failure. Just because it talks about abjurant ac bonus's many people come to the conclusion magearmor + Abjurant bonus. Still 9+ is hefty armor for a mage, which makes sense because otherwise you could walk around for an entire dire before the spell went away otherwise, especially if you went UM as well.
The_Shaman 03-03-07, 05:30 PM	I've also heard there's another spell somewhere in the SC that's eligible for AC empowerment. I thought the protection from alignment ones would also be, but apparently it doesn't apply to deflection bonuses.
Ariath Ska'Vhor 03-03-07, 05:32 PM	I had an idea, what about making mage armor and shield duel school spells, both abjuration and conjuration.
Khael 03-03-07, 05:37 PM	I had an idea, what about making mage armor and shield duel school spells, both abjuration and conjuration. Been thought of. And again the reason normally for mage armour being conjuration is that, anyone giving up abjuration, for whatever reason can still get a solid defense spell, rather than totally hamstringing their physical personal defense (Though i also figure you'd be hamstringing yourself anyway by skipping ab.). Myself. I'm fine with no abjuration mage armour. The shield is good enough for me, and i'm of the school of 'you've got full casting, BAB, d10 Hd, what's an extra powered mage amrour to you really, when you have shield?' Just get a pair of bracers of armour and stock your shields well.
bigdndfan 03-03-07, 05:44 PM	I've also heard there's another spell somewhere in the SC that's eligible for AC empowerment. There is Entropic Shield, but it only works against ghost touch and incoperal attacks (and the like), which the ordinary Shield already does (as it's a force spell).