The Jade Pheonix Mage...how is it? [Archive] - Wizards Community

The Jade Pheonix Mage...how is it? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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ZiggZagg
12-05-07, 01:17 PM Hey, I am looking into making a Jade Pheonix Mage for an upcomfing arena style battle we are doing. The character is going to be 20th level. I am just wondering what everyone else thinks of this class. It seems like it would be pretty nice to me, especially if combined with something like the Abjurant Champion. Any responses and help are greatly appreciated! Thanks y'all!
Arkeas
12-05-07, 06:31 PM The only time I've played one was in a similar situation. It was a one time level 20 massive battle where we were the heroes of both sides (elf and dwarf).

I was a Duskblade 9/Crusader 1/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 or something. The only problem is that I had so many maneuvers, spells and stances that I didn't know what was the best to use most of the time. I remember was there was fire: lots and lots of fire.
ZiggZagg
12-05-07, 07:08 PM Can you use the Duskblade's Arcane Channeling with a Martial Adepts maneuvers? Or did you just combine the boosts with it?

Any other ideas on this class?
Jaxgaret
12-07-07, 11:46 AM I had a build a while ago for a Jade Phoenix Mage... I think it was Bard6/LT2/MartialAdept1/JPM1/SC2/JPM8. Feel free to alter it for your arena battle.
ZiggZagg
12-07-07, 01:25 PM I was thinking Battle Sorcerer 6/Jade Pheonix Mage 10/Abjurant Champion 4
Jaxgaret
12-08-07, 04:09 AM I was thinking Battle Sorcerer 6/Jade Pheonix Mage 10/Abjurant Champion 4

It's kind of wasteful to use extra feats to qualify for JPM, i.e. not take a level as a Martial Adept.

But other than that, it's a pretty decent build.
ShadeSeraph
12-08-07, 08:22 AM First, while this is as good a place as any other, maybe you could take a look at the Character Optimization Boards. They will sure help you a lot.

This is my JPM based character. Use it if you like to ^^:

1-bard
2-bard
3-bard
4-bard
5-Crusader
6-Spellsword
7-Abjurant Champion
8-Jade Phoenix Mage
9-Jade Phoenix Mage
10-Warblade or Crusader (I prefer Warblade)
11-Sublime Chord
12-Sublime Chord
13-Jade Phoenix Mage
14-Jade Phoenix Mage
15-Jade Phoenix Mage
16-Jade Phoenix Mage
17-Jade Phoenix Mage
18-Jade Phoenix Mage
19-Jade Phoenix Mage
20-Jade Phoenix Mage

Race: Human. Maybe, Illuminian for some Str synergy with spellcasting

Nice Feats:
-Combat Casting, Arcane Strike (remember that Arcane Wrath doesn't work on full attacks or AoO), Smitting Spell.
ZiggZagg
12-08-07, 01:20 PM It's kind of wasteful to use extra feats to qualify for JPM, i.e. not take a level as a Martial Adept.

I know it can be wasteful to do this. However, we are allowed 2 flaws, so that can help me take care of the prereqs right away at first level. I am trying to keep my caster level as high as possible. The way it is here, this gives me a BAB of 18 and a CL of 18, if I did the math right. Although now that I think of it, it probably wouldn't be too bad to go with Battle Sorcerer 5/Warblade or Swordsage 1/Jade Pheonix Mage 10/Abjurant Champion 4. The only problem is that I don't think I would have access to 9th level spells.
Jaxgaret
12-08-07, 02:19 PM I know it can be wasteful to do this. However, we are allowed 2 flaws, so that can help me take care of the prereqs right away at first level. I am trying to keep my caster level as high as possible. The way it is here, this gives me a BAB of 18 and a CL of 18, if I did the math right. Although now that I think of it, it probably wouldn't be too bad to go with Battle Sorcerer 5/Warblade or Swordsage 1/Jade Pheonix Mage 10/Abjurant Champion 4. The only problem is that I don't think I would have access to 9th level spells.

The flaws can be used for better things if you don't use them to qualify for JPM - such as Practiced Spellcaster to get your CL up to 20.

That is why I suggested using Sublime Chord, a la the build I posted above - you get 9th levels spells and a +16 BAB, and a few free levels after Bard and before SC to absorb both the single Martial Adept level and the first JPM level, neither of which advance spellcasting progression.
ZiggZagg
12-08-07, 03:39 PM I'm not saying I don't like your build, just that I am not good with bards, and do not particularly care for the class that much. But I do appreciate your input and thank you for your ideas. I am just looking a little more martially focused
tomersss
12-08-07, 05:02 PM what books are adjurant champion and jade phoenix mage from?
strenoth
12-08-07, 05:23 PM Abjurant Champion is from Complete Arcane.

JPM is from book fo Nine Swords
tomersss
12-08-07, 05:26 PM ok,i downloaded complete arcane but i can find a download of ninesword,but the name "tome of battle" keeps comming up,are they related?
18DELTA
12-08-07, 05:29 PM Tome of Battle, The Book of Nine Swords. Its one and the same.:D
Jaxgaret
12-09-07, 01:00 AM Tome of Battle, The Book of Nine Swords. Its one and the same.:D

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Post/Author/DateTime	Post
ZiggZagg 12-05-07, 01:17 PM	Hey, I am looking into making a Jade Pheonix Mage for an upcomfing arena style battle we are doing. The character is going to be 20th level. I am just wondering what everyone else thinks of this class. It seems like it would be pretty nice to me, especially if combined with something like the Abjurant Champion. Any responses and help are greatly appreciated! Thanks y'all!
Arkeas 12-05-07, 06:31 PM	The only time I've played one was in a similar situation. It was a one time level 20 massive battle where we were the heroes of both sides (elf and dwarf). I was a Duskblade 9/Crusader 1/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 or something. The only problem is that I had so many maneuvers, spells and stances that I didn't know what was the best to use most of the time. I remember was there was fire: lots and lots of fire.
ZiggZagg 12-05-07, 07:08 PM	Can you use the Duskblade's Arcane Channeling with a Martial Adepts maneuvers? Or did you just combine the boosts with it? Any other ideas on this class?
Jaxgaret 12-07-07, 11:46 AM	I had a build a while ago for a Jade Phoenix Mage... I think it was Bard6/LT2/MartialAdept1/JPM1/SC2/JPM8. Feel free to alter it for your arena battle.
ZiggZagg 12-07-07, 01:25 PM	I was thinking Battle Sorcerer 6/Jade Pheonix Mage 10/Abjurant Champion 4
Jaxgaret 12-08-07, 04:09 AM	I was thinking Battle Sorcerer 6/Jade Pheonix Mage 10/Abjurant Champion 4 It's kind of wasteful to use extra feats to qualify for JPM, i.e. not take a level as a Martial Adept. But other than that, it's a pretty decent build.
ShadeSeraph 12-08-07, 08:22 AM	First, while this is as good a place as any other, maybe you could take a look at the Character Optimization Boards. They will sure help you a lot. This is my JPM based character. Use it if you like to ^^: 1-bard 2-bard 3-bard 4-bard 5-Crusader 6-Spellsword 7-Abjurant Champion 8-Jade Phoenix Mage 9-Jade Phoenix Mage 10-Warblade or Crusader (I prefer Warblade) 11-Sublime Chord 12-Sublime Chord 13-Jade Phoenix Mage 14-Jade Phoenix Mage 15-Jade Phoenix Mage 16-Jade Phoenix Mage 17-Jade Phoenix Mage 18-Jade Phoenix Mage 19-Jade Phoenix Mage 20-Jade Phoenix Mage Race: Human. Maybe, Illuminian for some Str synergy with spellcasting Nice Feats: -Combat Casting, Arcane Strike (remember that Arcane Wrath doesn't work on full attacks or AoO), Smitting Spell.
ZiggZagg 12-08-07, 01:20 PM	It's kind of wasteful to use extra feats to qualify for JPM, i.e. not take a level as a Martial Adept. I know it can be wasteful to do this. However, we are allowed 2 flaws, so that can help me take care of the prereqs right away at first level. I am trying to keep my caster level as high as possible. The way it is here, this gives me a BAB of 18 and a CL of 18, if I did the math right. Although now that I think of it, it probably wouldn't be too bad to go with Battle Sorcerer 5/Warblade or Swordsage 1/Jade Pheonix Mage 10/Abjurant Champion 4. The only problem is that I don't think I would have access to 9th level spells.
Jaxgaret 12-08-07, 02:19 PM	I know it can be wasteful to do this. However, we are allowed 2 flaws, so that can help me take care of the prereqs right away at first level. I am trying to keep my caster level as high as possible. The way it is here, this gives me a BAB of 18 and a CL of 18, if I did the math right. Although now that I think of it, it probably wouldn't be too bad to go with Battle Sorcerer 5/Warblade or Swordsage 1/Jade Pheonix Mage 10/Abjurant Champion 4. The only problem is that I don't think I would have access to 9th level spells. The flaws can be used for better things if you don't use them to qualify for JPM - such as Practiced Spellcaster to get your CL up to 20. That is why I suggested using Sublime Chord, a la the build I posted above - you get 9th levels spells and a +16 BAB, and a few free levels after Bard and before SC to absorb both the single Martial Adept level and the first JPM level, neither of which advance spellcasting progression.
ZiggZagg 12-08-07, 03:39 PM	I'm not saying I don't like your build, just that I am not good with bards, and do not particularly care for the class that much. But I do appreciate your input and thank you for your ideas. I am just looking a little more martially focused
tomersss 12-08-07, 05:02 PM	what books are adjurant champion and jade phoenix mage from?
strenoth 12-08-07, 05:23 PM	Abjurant Champion is from Complete Arcane. JPM is from book fo Nine Swords
tomersss 12-08-07, 05:26 PM	ok,i downloaded complete arcane but i can find a download of ninesword,but the name "tome of battle" keeps comming up,are they related?
18DELTA 12-08-07, 05:29 PM	Tome of Battle, The Book of Nine Swords. Its one and the same.:D
Jaxgaret 12-09-07, 01:00 AM	Tome of Battle, The Book of Nine Swords. Its one and the same.:D Your sig is approximately 10x larger than this post. Fix please?