The Pale Master [Archive] - Wizards Community

The Pale Master [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Darth Doom
01-16-08, 07:28 AM Hey all,

I was playing around with character concepts and in theory I really like the Pale Master, and I was wondering what peoples experiences with them were.

I was playing around with the idea of a lvl 5 wizard lvl 4 pale master, but that first level of getting nothing at all is a real speed bump, and horrid for spell casting level advancement.

What are others thought on the PrC? Does the kick in the balls to caster level advancement pay off in the end (Considering the removal of the cost of animate dead) ?
JaronK
01-16-08, 03:01 PM The cost removal thing is nice, and I see a lot of Dread Necromancer 18/Palemaster 2 builds for that very reason. Dread Necromancer is the most obvious entry, because a lot of Palemaster abilities involve punching someone in the face. The best, of course, is the one where you punch someone in the face so hard he turns into a zombie! And Dread Necromancers get damage reduction and self healing, so they can actually get close enough to do that, plus they make stronger undead.

You could also do Dread Necromancer 10/Palemaster 10, but the largest issue there is that the DN 8 ability is based on Dread Necromancer class level, so you lose half your undead for taking all that Palemaster. That freaking hurts.

Now, a Gestalt build that was Necromancer/Palemaster//Dread Necromancer would be hilarious and awesome, and you could punch people into zombies all over the place while cackling madly.

JaronK
Pandapeep
01-16-08, 11:21 PM What book is the pale master from?
JaronK
01-18-08, 06:48 AM What book is the pale master from?

Libris Mortis, I believe. Usually used as a two level dip for hardcore necromancers, but it's interesting as a 10 level class.

JaronK
The_Shaman
01-18-08, 11:15 AM I've thought about getting it for a necromancer specialist wizard, but I'm kinda unsure... Some of the abilities are fairly nice, and getting a mini-leadership is quite useful, but the first level is awful.
JaronK
01-18-08, 04:42 PM I've thought about getting it for a necromancer specialist wizard, but I'm kinda unsure... Some of the abilities are fairly nice, and getting a mini-leadership is quite useful, but the first level is awful.

The big thing is the savings on Animate Dead. That said, you could use other items to get around it... maybe.

JaronK
The_Shaman
01-18-08, 06:18 PM I dunno, some of the other abilities are imo better than saving on a few black onyxes every now and then.
Darth Doom
01-19-08, 09:23 PM Yeah, that was the thing that was holding me back, that dreadful first level, no gains at all and losing a caster level to bump (If Im a wizard) my casting progression down to the progress of a sorcerer.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Darth Doom 01-16-08, 07:28 AM	Hey all, I was playing around with character concepts and in theory I really like the Pale Master, and I was wondering what peoples experiences with them were. I was playing around with the idea of a lvl 5 wizard lvl 4 pale master, but that first level of getting nothing at all is a real speed bump, and horrid for spell casting level advancement. What are others thought on the PrC? Does the kick in the balls to caster level advancement pay off in the end (Considering the removal of the cost of animate dead) ?
JaronK 01-16-08, 03:01 PM	The cost removal thing is nice, and I see a lot of Dread Necromancer 18/Palemaster 2 builds for that very reason. Dread Necromancer is the most obvious entry, because a lot of Palemaster abilities involve punching someone in the face. The best, of course, is the one where you punch someone in the face so hard he turns into a zombie! And Dread Necromancers get damage reduction and self healing, so they can actually get close enough to do that, plus they make stronger undead. You could also do Dread Necromancer 10/Palemaster 10, but the largest issue there is that the DN 8 ability is based on Dread Necromancer class level, so you lose half your undead for taking all that Palemaster. That freaking hurts. Now, a Gestalt build that was Necromancer/Palemaster//Dread Necromancer would be hilarious and awesome, and you could punch people into zombies all over the place while cackling madly. JaronK
Pandapeep 01-16-08, 11:21 PM	What book is the pale master from?
JaronK 01-18-08, 06:48 AM	What book is the pale master from? Libris Mortis, I believe. Usually used as a two level dip for hardcore necromancers, but it's interesting as a 10 level class. JaronK
The_Shaman 01-18-08, 11:15 AM	I've thought about getting it for a necromancer specialist wizard, but I'm kinda unsure... Some of the abilities are fairly nice, and getting a mini-leadership is quite useful, but the first level is awful.
JaronK 01-18-08, 04:42 PM	I've thought about getting it for a necromancer specialist wizard, but I'm kinda unsure... Some of the abilities are fairly nice, and getting a mini-leadership is quite useful, but the first level is awful. The big thing is the savings on Animate Dead. That said, you could use other items to get around it... maybe. JaronK
The_Shaman 01-18-08, 06:18 PM	I dunno, some of the other abilities are imo better than saving on a few black onyxes every now and then.
Darth Doom 01-19-08, 09:23 PM	Yeah, that was the thing that was holding me back, that dreadful first level, no gains at all and losing a caster level to bump (If Im a wizard) my casting progression down to the progress of a sorcerer.