Updating the Weapon Master? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Updating the Weapon Master? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Zousha_Omenohu
07-26-07, 09:19 PM I've been thinking of allowing the Weapon Master prestige class from Sword and Fist to be included in my next campaign. I'm not to sure if it'll work though, since it wasn't included in Complete Warrior. I was wondering why this was and I would also appreciate reccomendations of any tweaks I should make to the PrC to update it to 3.5 before I use it. Thank you all very much.:)
Twylyght
07-26-07, 09:56 PM Really its pretty much good to go as is, the only change thats really needs to be made is changing "Expertise" to "Combat Expertise" in the preqs due to the name change of the feat.

What you might consider from a DM point of view is Ki Critical. As it does stack with Improved Critical if you arleady have the feat by adding an additional +2 to the threat range. While not as potent as it was in 3.0 since Improved Critical and Keen no longer stack, its still worth consideration. I would let it fly as is in my game, but thats just me.
jago668
07-26-07, 10:40 PM Aye, I'd let it stack also. It is a PrC ability so you might as well.
Zousha_Omenohu
07-27-07, 11:29 AM I've always thought it looked pretty good, even with the stringent requirements. From what I've seen of it, most people only take it for Ki Critical anyway. I guess I'll go through with it, but first another question, if it's pretty much okay as is, why was it never converted to Complete Warrior? It seems like a pretty solid prestige class and a popular character concept, yet the only time it surfaced in 3.5 wasn't even in a sourcebook (it was one of the available prestige classes in Neverwinter Nights 2, which uses 3.5 rules instead of 3.0 rules like its predecessor). Thanks again for your advice.
Twylyght
07-27-07, 03:44 PM Theres been a few different answers to why is has not reappeared they all kinda boil down to 3 basic choices.

1. The class has no mechanics that are changed or obsolete in 3.5 so it really needs no "update" so it has not been reprinted.

2. The class does not fit in to the "Scope" of what WotC wants in 3.5 so it was not updated.

3. The class was updated into the "Exotic Weapon Master" in Complete Warrior. (According to a page somewhere on wizards web site).

Unofficial as it is, my opinion goes as such, 1 seems most likely, I could accept 2 even if I dont agree, and think that 3 is just plain wrong (even if wizards says so)
Zousha_Omenohu
07-28-07, 12:00 AM What do they mean by it doesn't fit into the "scope"? The master swordsman is quite a good character for a fantasy setting.
Mirtek
07-29-07, 04:37 PM What you might consider from a DM point of view is Ki Critical. As it does stack with Improved Critical if you arleady have the feat by adding an additional +2 to the threat range. While not as potent as it was in 3.0 since Improved Critical and Keen no longer stack, its still worth consideration. I would let it fly as is in my game, but thats just me.
WotC did upate the psychic weapon master some time ago on their website (can't find the link at the moment). The PWM gets Ki Critical too and the 3.5 update allowed it to stack with Keen and/or improved critical
but first another question, if it's pretty much okay as is, why was it never converted to Complete Warrior? It seems like a pretty solid prestige class and a popular charact
I asked myself the same question. IMO it's much better (mechanical and flavor-wise) than the Kensai class that made into CW
Zousha_Omenohu
07-30-07, 12:09 PM To me the Kensai seems like they converted the OA Samurai to a prestige class, and I'm pretty sure that's exactly the case.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Zousha_Omenohu 07-26-07, 09:19 PM	I've been thinking of allowing the Weapon Master prestige class from Sword and Fist to be included in my next campaign. I'm not to sure if it'll work though, since it wasn't included in Complete Warrior. I was wondering why this was and I would also appreciate reccomendations of any tweaks I should make to the PrC to update it to 3.5 before I use it. Thank you all very much.:)
Twylyght 07-26-07, 09:56 PM	Really its pretty much good to go as is, the only change thats really needs to be made is changing "Expertise" to "Combat Expertise" in the preqs due to the name change of the feat. What you might consider from a DM point of view is Ki Critical. As it does stack with Improved Critical if you arleady have the feat by adding an additional +2 to the threat range. While not as potent as it was in 3.0 since Improved Critical and Keen no longer stack, its still worth consideration. I would let it fly as is in my game, but thats just me.
jago668 07-26-07, 10:40 PM	Aye, I'd let it stack also. It is a PrC ability so you might as well.
Zousha_Omenohu 07-27-07, 11:29 AM	I've always thought it looked pretty good, even with the stringent requirements. From what I've seen of it, most people only take it for Ki Critical anyway. I guess I'll go through with it, but first another question, if it's pretty much okay as is, why was it never converted to Complete Warrior? It seems like a pretty solid prestige class and a popular character concept, yet the only time it surfaced in 3.5 wasn't even in a sourcebook (it was one of the available prestige classes in Neverwinter Nights 2, which uses 3.5 rules instead of 3.0 rules like its predecessor). Thanks again for your advice.
Twylyght 07-27-07, 03:44 PM	Theres been a few different answers to why is has not reappeared they all kinda boil down to 3 basic choices. 1. The class has no mechanics that are changed or obsolete in 3.5 so it really needs no "update" so it has not been reprinted. 2. The class does not fit in to the "Scope" of what WotC wants in 3.5 so it was not updated. 3. The class was updated into the "Exotic Weapon Master" in Complete Warrior. (According to a page somewhere on wizards web site). Unofficial as it is, my opinion goes as such, 1 seems most likely, I could accept 2 even if I dont agree, and think that 3 is just plain wrong (even if wizards says so)
Zousha_Omenohu 07-28-07, 12:00 AM	What do they mean by it doesn't fit into the "scope"? The master swordsman is quite a good character for a fantasy setting.
Mirtek 07-29-07, 04:37 PM	What you might consider from a DM point of view is Ki Critical. As it does stack with Improved Critical if you arleady have the feat by adding an additional +2 to the threat range. While not as potent as it was in 3.0 since Improved Critical and Keen no longer stack, its still worth consideration. I would let it fly as is in my game, but thats just me. WotC did upate the psychic weapon master some time ago on their website (can't find the link at the moment). The PWM gets Ki Critical too and the 3.5 update allowed it to stack with Keen and/or improved critical but first another question, if it's pretty much okay as is, why was it never converted to Complete Warrior? It seems like a pretty solid prestige class and a popular charact I asked myself the same question. IMO it's much better (mechanical and flavor-wise) than the Kensai class that made into CW
Zousha_Omenohu 07-30-07, 12:09 PM	To me the Kensai seems like they converted the OA Samurai to a prestige class, and I'm pretty sure that's exactly the case.