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starfire311 06-11-07, 02:37 PM	ok, I know it is a rather difficult combine... but one of my players wants to play a melee warlock... he is currently a level 11 warlock... and has always been trying to go melee he has been having a tough time being successful, so recently he ahd been just sitting back and blasting and mainly using his UMD to throw around battlefield control spells.. this is not the character he envisioned, he took hideous blow and later swapped it out for eldritch glaive, because he wanted to be more of a meleer. He asked me today if it would be able to combine warblade and warlock, I said it could be cool, if you can work out how to manifest eldritch glaive and use maneuvers... So, 1st question would it be broken to change eldritch glaive to be a swift action to activate, and it stays manifested for something like 1 round/invoker level. And during that time you just treat it as a weapon. 2nd, what abilities would you good people see a warblade/warlock PrC having?
Mai_ariti 06-12-07, 11:52 AM	Try a Spellsword PrC like thing with increased BAB and that gives increased Armor proficency, while giving slower spellcasting, or invocation progression. What I would recomend are some special invacations at the levels with no increase in CL. Try these, I don't know if you'll like them: Bonus Feat at Level 2 from Fighter Bonus List Lesser Invocation at Level 4 Eldrich Imbument: you can sacrifice a number of Eldrich Blast damage dice up to half you caster level that would normally be added to your dammage (like with Hideous Blow or Eldrich Glave) to add the same number as an enhancement bonus to your weapon for one round. This is a swift action to activate. Lesser Invocation Gained at Level 6 Weapon Emission: You can fire you Eldrich Blast as if you were standing in any of the squares you threaten with your weapon. Good if you use a spear. Still can't atrget opponents if you don't know where they are standing. Greater Invocation Gained at Level 8 Overcomming Strike: you can sacrafice dice of Eldrich Blast damage to overcome DR. 1 dice for X/silver, 2 dice for X/cold iron, 3 for X/adamantine (also overcomes hardness as if admantine), 4 for X/chaotic and X/evil, 5 for X/good and X/lawful. swift action Dark Invocation Gained at Level 10 Ranged Strike: You can make a melee strike with your weapon at anyone inside your eldrich blast range. This stacks with any eldrich blast shape invocations like Eldrich Spear or Eldrich Doom(one attack roll at each target, -2 to each target after the first.) Odd leves give an ignore spell failure chance up to whatever you choose as the upper limit. May be a bit over-powered, change to fit better.
Raiden Drake 06-12-07, 12:11 PM	mmm... the entry on the swordsage under adaptation says that if u want to make a more mystic/magical char you can choose a spell of the same level instead of a maneuver, following this line of though. I'll allow a Warlock to take maneuvers (from shadow hand and desert wind only, being this the more "magical" schools) instead of invocations, but u need to have the prerequisites for the maneuver This maneuvers are "cast" as if they where invocations (Arcane spell failure, SR, etc) but do not cause attack of opportunity. Least -> LV1 and LV2 maneuvers Lesser -> LV3 and LV4 maneuvers Greater -> LV5 and LV6 maneuvers Dark -> LV7 and LV8 maneuvers You could even allow to take maneuvers for other schools if he want a more beatstick char. Or probably allow to channel half the eldrich bast damage as part of the maneuver (only strikes) with a feat or something. All of this is just brainstorming i don't know how balanced it is.
Dragonborn 06-12-07, 12:20 PM	You might want to take a look at this. (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=854730) Not quite what your looking for, but it might work.
starfire311 06-12-07, 12:22 PM	wow, I cant beleive I just created a duplicate thread, I thought this one ahd fallen into obscurity, and I hate bumping my own threads, so while Mai_ariti was posting his great ideas I created another thread about this same topic here.warlock/warblade thread (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=865069)
starfire311 06-12-07, 12:25 PM	mmm... the entry on the swordsage under adaptation says that if u want to make a more mystic/magical char you can choose a spell of the same level instead of a maneuver, following this line of though. I'll allow a Warlock to take maneuvers (from shadow hand and desert wind only, being this the more "magical" schools) instead of invocations, but u need to have the prerequisites for the maneuver This maneuvers are "cast" as if they where invocations (Arcane spell failure, SR, etc) but do not cause attack of opportunity. Least -> LV1 and LV2 maneuvers Lesser -> LV3 and LV4 maneuvers Greater -> LV5 and LV6 maneuvers Dark -> LV7 and LV8 maneuvers You could even allow to take maneuvers for other schools if he want a more beatstick char. Or probably allow to channel half the eldrich bast damage as part of the maneuver (only strikes) with a feat or something. All of this is just brainstorming i don't know how balanced it is. this is a great idea... it is genius actually. Maybe a feat to let one combine hideous blow/eldritch glaive with martial maneuvers.
Raiden Drake 06-12-07, 12:48 PM	this is a great idea... it is genius actually. Maybe a feat to let one combine hideous blow/eldritch glaive with martial maneuvers. I don't know about genius... but ok... Another idea I just have why not consider eldrich blast a weapon, is a weapon-like spell-like (yes i know...) anyway. what about this: Feat: Eldrich Strike[General] Your have train the use of your hideous blow as part of blade magic. Prerequisites: hideous blow invocation, 2d6 Eldrich Blast, ability to use LV1 strike of the shadow hand school. Benefit: As part of using a shadow hand strike u can channel your hideous blow to your melee attack if any. This activation of the hideous blow do not cause attack of opportunity. Now this feat is made thinking about a variant warlock that can learn Shadow hand maneuvers, instead of invocations, I decide only this school because is the one that fits more to the warlock archetype, although u can easily change for any other school you like more, but i strongly suggest allow the warlock to access only one school for free (he can learn other schools using the martial study feat) this is an important balancing factor because the warlock would be able to spam maneuvers each round. I'll call this variant warlock the: WARlock :D
sally_jones 06-12-07, 11:38 PM	i'm not copletely sure but i think hideous blow can be used w/o provoking an attack of opportunity. also maybe the abilty channel eldritch into manuever could be a class feature for the PrC, or there could be a "vitrollic" manuever to overcome spell resistance w/ hideous blow.