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imakuni67
10-28-07, 09:16 AM Requirements
To qualify to become a Warpoet Commander, a character must fulfill all of the following criteria.
Skills: Diplomancy 4 ranks, Knowledge (History) 8 ranks, Perform 8 ranks.
Special: Auras (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20030906b&page=1) class feature, Bardic Music class feature.
HD: d8

Attack Fort Ref Will
Level Bonus Save Save Save Special
1st +0 +2 +0 +2 Warpoetry, Auras, Armored Casting
2nd +1 +3 +1 +3
3rd +2 +3 +1 +3 Widen Aura +10, Expanded Spellist
4th +3 +4 +1 +4 Strength of Command
5th +3 +4 +1 +4
6th +4 +5 +2 +5
7th +5 +5 +2 +5 Widen Aura +20
8th +6 +6 +2 +6 Strength of Command
9th +6 +6 +3 +6
10th +7 +7 +3 +7 Heroes' Feast 1/day
The Warpoet Commander class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Balance (Dex), Bluff (Cha), Diplomacy (Cha), Escape Artist (Dex), Gather Information (Cha), Handle Animal (Cha), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Knowledge (All) (Int), Listen (Wis), Perform (Cha), Ride (Dex), Sense Motive (Wis), Speak Language (n/a), Spot (Wis), Survival (Wis), and Swim (Str), and Tumble (Dex).
Skills: 4+Int mod per level.
Weapon and Armor Proficiency:
The warpoet commander gains no proficiencies with weapons or armor.
Spellcasting
At levels 3, 6, and 9, a warpoet commander gains new spells per day as if he had also gained a level in a bard. He does not, however, gain any other benefit a character of that class would have gained, except for an increased effective level of spellcasting.
War Poetics: A warpoet commander adds her class level to her bard level to determine the number of times per day she can use her bardic music, the strength of, and access to the following bardic music abilities: inspire courage, inspire competence, inspire greatness, and inspire heroics. She must still have any neccessary perform ranks to use the bardic music.
Auras: A warpoet commander adds her class level to her marshal level for the purpose of determining the number of auras known and the strength of her major auras.
Armored Casting (Ex):
A warpoet commander may cast 0 and 1st level bard spells while in medium armor without suffering arcane spell failure chance. At 4th level she may also cast 2nd level bard spells in the same way.
Expanded Spellist:
A warpoet commander may select the following spells as spells known when gaining new access to bard spells: Magic Weapon, Mage Armor, Greater Magic Weapon, Bull's Strength, Owl's Wisdom, and Shield Other.
Widen Aura (Ex):
The area of the warpoet commander's auras increase by 10 feet. This increases again by 10 feet at 7th level.
Strength of Command:
A warpoet commander gains a +1 inherent bonus to Charisma at 4th level, at level 8 this bonus increases to +2.
Heroes' Feast (Sp)
1/day a warpoet commander may use Heroes' Feast as a spell-like ability. Caster level equals her character level.
vorpo
10-28-07, 07:12 PM 8 dead levels, 5 if you count the 3 lvls you add to bard's spell progression. Significantly underpowered just because of that. Heroe's Feast 1/day isn't to die for either at lvl 10.

Also, do you have a limit to where Auras come from? I mean, Dragon Shamans too have auras, just draconic tho.
BananaB
10-28-07, 09:39 PM With so many class skills why only 4 ranks per lvl. You should give it least 6 + int otherwise most skills will go unused even though they're so useful.

Only 3 caster lvls is kinda underpowered. I'd say raise it to 7/10 caster levels just to help fill out the dead levels. Or better yet, condense the class into 5 lvls and give it full caster lvls.

For the armoured casting consider starting it as being able t cast up to 2nd lel spells without penalty in meduim armour and then increase it to being able to cast any spell. It seems pointless if you can use low lvl spells in armour without penalty but when you want to use a powerful one you may fail the spell.

Over all the class is pretty good. Great for a buffer which is obviosly what its for. I like the lvl stacking for bard and keeping the inspireing abilities. it just needs some filling out.
imakuni67
10-29-07, 12:17 PM Also, do you have a limit to where Auras come from? I mean, Dragon Shamans too have auras, just draconic tho.

However if a dragon shaman entered the class he wouldn't benefit from the increase in aura knowledge, as the class stacks with marshal level.

Updated, added abilities.
vorpo
10-29-07, 02:33 PM However if a dragon shaman entered the class he wouldn't benefit from the increase in aura knowledge, as the class stacks with marshal level.

Updated, added abilities.

I know, so, DS can still get in the PrC just not benefitting from it.
vorpo
10-29-07, 02:42 PM 3rd +2 +3 +1 +3 Widen Aura +10, Expanded Spellist

Spell List. You probably intentionally put Spellist instead, but.... And where is it in the class feature description?

Expanded Spellist:
A warpoet commander may select the following spells as spells known: Magic Weapon, Mage Armor, Greater Magic Weapon, Bull's Strength (and similiar), and Shield Other.

Ah, there it is. You didn't bold it that's why I didn't notice. And what do you mean by (and similar).

Widen Aura (Ex):
The area of the warpoet commander's auras increase by 10. This increases again at 7th level.

10 ft I presume.

Strength of Command:
A warpoet commander gains a +1 inherent bonus to Charisma.

Inherent bonuses don't stack, so, you sure inherent is what you want?
vorpo
10-29-07, 03:20 PM Armored Casting (Ex):
A warpoet commander may cast 0 and 1st level bard spells while in medium armor without suffering arcane spell failure chance. At 4th level she may also cast 2nd level bard spells in the same way.

Ok, I thought about it a lil more. Maybe I am just picky. But officially, it has a name called Armored Mage (medium). Even though you have conditions for using this (casting certain level spells), it should still be called the same as other classes for easier reference. I mean, even rangers get conditions for their bonus feat for their chosen combat styles but WotC doesn't rename the feats to something else.
imakuni67
10-30-07, 11:09 AM I know, so, DS can still get in the PrC just not benefitting from it.

Well there bard spellcasting and most of her bardic music would benefit, but their auras would not. It would be like a ranger taking contemplative...

But I updated all the things you pointed out! Thanks a lot Vorpo!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
imakuni67 10-28-07, 09:16 AM	Requirements To qualify to become a Warpoet Commander, a character must fulfill all of the following criteria. Skills: Diplomancy 4 ranks, Knowledge (History) 8 ranks, Perform 8 ranks. Special: Auras (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20030906b&page=1) class feature, Bardic Music class feature. HD: d8 Attack Fort Ref Will Level Bonus Save Save Save Special 1st +0 +2 +0 +2 Warpoetry, Auras, Armored Casting 2nd +1 +3 +1 +3 3rd +2 +3 +1 +3 Widen Aura +10, Expanded Spellist 4th +3 +4 +1 +4 Strength of Command 5th +3 +4 +1 +4 6th +4 +5 +2 +5 7th +5 +5 +2 +5 Widen Aura +20 8th +6 +6 +2 +6 Strength of Command 9th +6 +6 +3 +6 10th +7 +7 +3 +7 Heroes' Feast 1/day The Warpoet Commander class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are Balance (Dex), Bluff (Cha), Diplomacy (Cha), Escape Artist (Dex), Gather Information (Cha), Handle Animal (Cha), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Knowledge (All) (Int), Listen (Wis), Perform (Cha), Ride (Dex), Sense Motive (Wis), Speak Language (n/a), Spot (Wis), Survival (Wis), and Swim (Str), and Tumble (Dex). Skills: 4+Int mod per level. Weapon and Armor Proficiency: The warpoet commander gains no proficiencies with weapons or armor. Spellcasting At levels 3, 6, and 9, a warpoet commander gains new spells per day as if he had also gained a level in a bard. He does not, however, gain any other benefit a character of that class would have gained, except for an increased effective level of spellcasting. War Poetics: A warpoet commander adds her class level to her bard level to determine the number of times per day she can use her bardic music, the strength of, and access to the following bardic music abilities: inspire courage, inspire competence, inspire greatness, and inspire heroics. She must still have any neccessary perform ranks to use the bardic music. Auras: A warpoet commander adds her class level to her marshal level for the purpose of determining the number of auras known and the strength of her major auras. Armored Casting (Ex): A warpoet commander may cast 0 and 1st level bard spells while in medium armor without suffering arcane spell failure chance. At 4th level she may also cast 2nd level bard spells in the same way. Expanded Spellist: A warpoet commander may select the following spells as spells known when gaining new access to bard spells: Magic Weapon, Mage Armor, Greater Magic Weapon, Bull's Strength, Owl's Wisdom, and Shield Other. Widen Aura (Ex): The area of the warpoet commander's auras increase by 10 feet. This increases again by 10 feet at 7th level. Strength of Command: A warpoet commander gains a +1 inherent bonus to Charisma at 4th level, at level 8 this bonus increases to +2. Heroes' Feast (Sp) 1/day a warpoet commander may use Heroes' Feast as a spell-like ability. Caster level equals her character level.
vorpo 10-28-07, 07:12 PM	8 dead levels, 5 if you count the 3 lvls you add to bard's spell progression. Significantly underpowered just because of that. Heroe's Feast 1/day isn't to die for either at lvl 10. Also, do you have a limit to where Auras come from? I mean, Dragon Shamans too have auras, just draconic tho.
BananaB 10-28-07, 09:39 PM	With so many class skills why only 4 ranks per lvl. You should give it least 6 + int otherwise most skills will go unused even though they're so useful. Only 3 caster lvls is kinda underpowered. I'd say raise it to 7/10 caster levels just to help fill out the dead levels. Or better yet, condense the class into 5 lvls and give it full caster lvls. For the armoured casting consider starting it as being able t cast up to 2nd lel spells without penalty in meduim armour and then increase it to being able to cast any spell. It seems pointless if you can use low lvl spells in armour without penalty but when you want to use a powerful one you may fail the spell. Over all the class is pretty good. Great for a buffer which is obviosly what its for. I like the lvl stacking for bard and keeping the inspireing abilities. it just needs some filling out.
imakuni67 10-29-07, 12:17 PM	Also, do you have a limit to where Auras come from? I mean, Dragon Shamans too have auras, just draconic tho. However if a dragon shaman entered the class he wouldn't benefit from the increase in aura knowledge, as the class stacks with marshal level. Updated, added abilities.
vorpo 10-29-07, 02:33 PM	However if a dragon shaman entered the class he wouldn't benefit from the increase in aura knowledge, as the class stacks with marshal level. Updated, added abilities. I know, so, DS can still get in the PrC just not benefitting from it.
vorpo 10-29-07, 02:42 PM	3rd +2 +3 +1 +3 Widen Aura +10, Expanded Spellist Spell List. You probably intentionally put Spellist instead, but.... And where is it in the class feature description? Expanded Spellist: A warpoet commander may select the following spells as spells known: Magic Weapon, Mage Armor, Greater Magic Weapon, Bull's Strength (and similiar), and Shield Other. Ah, there it is. You didn't bold it that's why I didn't notice. And what do you mean by (and similar). Widen Aura (Ex): The area of the warpoet commander's auras increase by 10. This increases again at 7th level. 10 ft I presume. Strength of Command: A warpoet commander gains a +1 inherent bonus to Charisma. Inherent bonuses don't stack, so, you sure inherent is what you want?
vorpo 10-29-07, 03:20 PM	Armored Casting (Ex): A warpoet commander may cast 0 and 1st level bard spells while in medium armor without suffering arcane spell failure chance. At 4th level she may also cast 2nd level bard spells in the same way. Ok, I thought about it a lil more. Maybe I am just picky. But officially, it has a name called Armored Mage (medium). Even though you have conditions for using this (casting certain level spells), it should still be called the same as other classes for easier reference. I mean, even rangers get conditions for their bonus feat for their chosen combat styles but WotC doesn't rename the feats to something else.
imakuni67 10-30-07, 11:09 AM	I know, so, DS can still get in the PrC just not benefitting from it. Well there bard spellcasting and most of her bardic music would benefit, but their auras would not. It would be like a ranger taking contemplative... But I updated all the things you pointed out! Thanks a lot Vorpo!