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nighttree 10-15-07, 09:56 PM	I'm creating a Spirit Shaman/Warlock/Eldritch Disciple, and just noticed something. At 10th level, the Eldritch disciple gains "timeless body (Ex)"...... Now "normally" (Druid, Monk etc....) say's that you no longer take aging penalties, cannot be magically aged, but still die when your time is up. The Eldritch Disciples says "you are infused with eternal vigor, you no longer age" :confused: Am I reading this right ???
Pitiless_Interfector 10-15-07, 11:06 PM	I'm creating a Spirit Shaman/Warlock/Eldritch Disciple, and just noticed something. At 10th level, the Eldritch disciple gains "timeless body (Ex)"...... Now "normally" (Druid, Monk etc....) say's that you no longer take aging penalties, cannot be magically aged, but still die when your time is up. The Eldritch Disciples says "you are infused with eternal vigor, you no longer age" :confused: Am I reading this right ??? Um, no. It says (PH 37) in parentheses; so it's obviously expecting you to examine the druid entry for more details.
nighttree 10-15-07, 11:18 PM	Um, no. It says (PH 37) in parentheses; so it's obviously expecting you to examine the druid entry for more details. Well there is a big difference between the discription in the Druid class, and saying you have "Eternal vigor" and "do not age". But I agree that that is what they ment in "spirit".
Salla 10-15-07, 11:20 PM	On the other hand, it really doesn't matter. When was the last time a D&D character died of old age?
nighttree 10-15-07, 11:30 PM	On the other hand, it really doesn't matter. When was the last time a D&D character died of old age? LOL....GOOD point :D
Artector 10-15-07, 11:34 PM	On the other hand, it really doesn't matter. When was the last time a D&D character died of old age? Only when appropriate to the story. (pass on the sword, impart final knowledge, tell where the extra key is, that type of stuff)
sigma999 10-16-07, 12:52 AM	Ever wonder why, throughout all editions of D&D, it's been OK for races like Outsiders, Fey, Undead, and Elves to live forever (in some form or another) yet others like Human or Dwarf just the shaft? You'd think there would be spells to stop aging entirely, even reverse it. But no, some designer(s) laid the smackdown on that. But WHY is the question. Perhaps it's time to stop that crap and fix things.
Khatoblepas 10-16-07, 07:44 AM	Ever wonder why, throughout all editions of D&D, it's been OK for races like Outsiders, Fey, Undead, and Elves to live forever (in some form or another) yet others like Human or Dwarf just the shaft? Outsiders don't breed, they aren't mortal and live forever, because their bodies and souls are a single entity. Fey are eternal, they epitomise all that is beautiful and neverending. Undead do not live forever, but are preserved by negative energy, stopping them from decaying or fading away. Their link to the negative energy plane does eventually weaken (see: Demilich, Ascerak) You'd think there would be spells to stop aging entirely, even reverse it. But no, some designer(s) laid the smackdown on that. I think there's a spell in the BoVD that steals youth from people, extending your lifespan. It's pretty evil, though. But WHY is the question. Because mortals are mortals, immortals are immortal. Perhaps it's time to stop that crap and fix things. No. It isn't. It doesn't make sense for people to live forever all over people's faces. It makes mortality a joke, and besides, wouldn't gods want people to enter their afterlife sooner or later? Non-borne Immortality is unnatural, man. Just ask a druid about the circle of life :D
Mr_Teapot 10-16-07, 08:31 AM	Ever wonder why, throughout all editions of D&D, it's been OK for races like Outsiders, Fey, Undead, and Elves to live forever (in some form or another) yet others like Human or Dwarf just the shaft? You'd think there would be spells to stop aging entirely, even reverse it. But no, some designer(s) laid the smackdown on that. Because then no one would want to become a lich, and the GM would be denied some really cool villains. for the original question: it's the same situation as the scout's version of Uncanny Dodge: it gives a slightly different, more powerful description of the power, but then refers you back to the less cool PHB power. Check with your GM, but I'd bet many (most?) will just say it is as the Druid power, so you still can die of old age. Think of it like the short descriptions of feats that they give, which sometimes don't exactly match the full description.
RobbyPants 10-16-07, 12:29 PM	Besides, if you got to live forever, at some point, an inevitable would come down and kill you to set the natural order right. ;)
vorpo 10-16-07, 02:38 PM	Turtles (in real life) cannot die of old age. They can live forever until they die from disease or accidents or predation and the like. So make a turtle-like humanoid race with the racial ability of timeless body (pumped too since turtles don't have a max life limit).....
Legdiwena 10-16-07, 02:41 PM	IIRC, there is an epic to raise your max age
Mr_Teapot 10-16-07, 03:09 PM	Turtles (in real life) cannot die of old age. They can live forever until they die from disease or accidents or predation and the like. So make a turtle-like humanoid race with the racial ability of timeless body (pumped too since turtles don't have a max life limit)..... Gaining timeless body at 1st level would mean every character of that race (nearly) would start out as venerable characters, giving them +3 to all mental stats. That is worth at east a +1 LA. (Dragonwrought kobolds can do this, of course, but they're also one of the finest examples of cheese you'll find.)
Legdiwena 10-16-07, 03:18 PM	Technically, they would never go past adult.
vorpo 10-16-07, 04:36 PM	IIRC, there is an epic to raise your max age Indeed, the Extended Life Span