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selenar
05-25-07, 10:59 AM Hi everyone,

I had already posted those powers but it seems that it had been deleted when they changed the board server, so I post them again.

I hope they are not too unbalance and I don't know if the power level is ok.

Wings of Force
Psychoportation or Metacreation
Level: Nomad 4
Display: Visual
Manifesting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: 1 min./level (D)
Power Points: 7

The subject creates wings made of force in his back. Thoses wings can make him fly at a speed of 30 feet (or half if it wears medium or heavy armor, or if it carries a medium or heavy load). It can ascend at half speed and descend at double speed, and its maneuverability is poor. Using Wings of Force power requires only as much concentration as walking, so the subject can attack or manifest powers normally. The subject of Wings of Force power can charge but not run, and it cannot carry aloft more weight than its maximum load, plus any armor it wears.
Should the power duration expire while the subject is still aloft, the power fails slowly. The subject floats downward 60 feet per round for 1d6 rounds. If it reaches the ground in that amount of time, it lands safely. If not, it falls the rest of the distance, taking 1d6 points of damage per 10 feet of fall. Since dispelling a power effectively ends it, the subject also descends in this way if the Wings of Force power is dispelled

Augment: If you spend 3 additional power points, the subject can have a better maneuverability. For every 3 power point you spend in this way, you get a better maneuverability.

If you spend 3 additional power points, the subject can have his speed increased by 30 feet. For every 3 power point you spend in this way, your speed increase by 30 feet.

If you spend 6 additional power points, the duration extends to 10min/level. If you spend another 6 additional power points, the duration extends to 1h/level.

Note : You can add augment to increase your speed and maneuverability and duration.
For exemple a 16 level psion can spend 9 additional power points to have an maneuverability and a speed of 90 feet.

Force Weapon
Metacreation
Level: Nomad 2
Display: Visual
Manifesting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: 1 min./level (D)
Power Points: 3

You create a Simple Light Melee Weapon made of force that you know (a dagger or a sickle for example).
You are proficient with this weapon for the duration of the power.

Augment: For every 3 additional power points you spend, you increase the category of the weapon. (see table below)

If you spend 5 additional power points, the weapon is considered psionic for purpose of overcoming damage reduction.

Weapon category table
+3 : Simple One-Handed Melee Weapons
+6 : Simple Two-Handed Melee Weapons
+9 : Martial Light Melee Weapons
+12 : Martial One-Handed Melee Weapons
+15 : Martial Two-Handed Melee Weapons
+18 : Exotic Light Melee Weapons
+21 : Exotic One-Handed Melee Weapons
+25 : Exotic Two-Handed Melee Weapons
selenar
05-28-07, 03:04 AM hi,

nobody wants to comment thoses powers?
calronmoonflower
05-28-07, 03:56 AM hi,

nobody wants to comment thoses powers?

I've always that of force as psychokinetic. perhaps you can make them dual metacreation/psychokinetic abilities.

Also your last entry on the table for Force Weapon is off.
selenar
05-28-07, 08:37 AM I've always that of force as psychokinetic.

Where did you find them?

Also your last entry on the table for Force Weapon is off.

could you explain me why, please?
Batshido
05-28-07, 01:34 PM could you explain me why, please?
3X8=24, not 25.
calronmoonflower
05-28-07, 04:39 PM Where did you find them?

Sorry. I misspelled it. I've thought of force as psychokinetic.

I just looked up every power in the force mantle in the Complete Psionic. They are all listed as psychokinesis powers.
Surgo
05-28-07, 10:41 PM Wow, I haven't posted on these boards in a loooooong time.

Wings of Force seems okay, as essentially a worse version of Fly that can be augmented. I don't like the +3 points / +30 feet scaling though, I'd be happier if it scaled at 10 feet per one point, in intervals of one point. Also I'd maybe increase the unaugmented speed to 40 or even 50 feet so it's not that much worse than fly. The augments are expensive anyway, the unaugmented power doesn't deserve to be so much worse just because of them.

Force Weapon is extremely underpowered; I would never use it. I'd rethink the entire table and how scaling should work. There's no reason that a two-handed exotic weapon should be +25 power points, or even a small nmber of power points above a simple single-handed weapon.
selenar
05-31-07, 03:12 AM 3X8=24, not 25.
That's sure, sorry :D

I just looked up every power in the force mantle in the Complete Psionic. They are all listed as psychokinesis powers.

Ok so I will change them to psychokinesis powers.

Wings of Force seems okay, as essentially a worse version of Fly that can be augmented. I don't like the +3 points / +30 feet scaling though, I'd be happier if it scaled at 10 feet per one point, in intervals of one point. Also I'd maybe increase the unaugmented speed to 40 or even 50 feet so it's not that much worse than fly. The augments are expensive anyway, the unaugmented power doesn't deserve to be so much worse just because of them.

You're right, the speed augment is now 10 feet/1 power point
and the base speed is increased to 50 feet.

Force Weapon is extremely underpowered; I would never use it. I'd rethink the entire table and how scaling should work. There's no reason that a two-handed exotic weapon should be +25 power points, or even a small nmber of power points above a simple single-handed weapon.

Ok, so:
with the base power, you can create all simple melee weapon.
For 2 additional power points, you can create all martial melee weapons, and for another 2 power points you have all exotic melee weapons.

I add the power to the psychic warrior list as a level 1 power

And the last augment is modified like this : for every 4 (or 3?) power points, your force weapon get a +1 psionic enhancement bonus.
For exemple a 19 lvl psion can have a +3 bastard sword of force with 4pp augment or a +4 bastard sword of force with 3pp augment

Are they better like this?

I think that an augment is needed for the category of weapon because for a psion you have to take a feat to get weapon proficiency with one martial or exotic weapon. This power gives you proficiency with the weapon you create. For me, it's normal to pay some pp to get better weapons without taking a feat.

I will soon post the powers description with these corrections.
IceFractal
05-31-07, 04:19 AM I think Wings of Force is quite a bit underpowered. Compared to Fly, it's a level higher (for a movement specialist, at that), slower speed, worse manueverability, and self only. I'm all for "don't make Psionics broken just because some spells are", but neither should Psionics be far weaker than magic.

So my suggestions would be either to make it 3rd level with the same starting traits as Fly (good manueverability, 60' speed), or else make it 2nd level, starting out weaker.
SlanderPanic
05-31-07, 03:49 PM What Ice said, regarding wings of force, with the additional comment that it should be a psychokinesis[force] effect.

Force weapon is horrid. It's the wrong discipline (again, it should be a psychokinesis[force] effect,) it's definitely not Nomad-appropriate, it's too high-level, and the augment makes absolutely no sense. Sure, it can hit incorporeal creatures, but there are better ways to accomplish that by third level, especially for psions.
selenar
06-01-07, 02:55 AM What Ice said, regarding wings of force, with the additional comment that it should be a psychokinesis[force] effect.

Force weapon is horrid. It's the wrong discipline (again, it should be a psychokinesis[force] effect,)

Ok so I will change them to psychokinesis powers.

it's definitely not Nomad-appropriate, it's too high-level, and the augment makes absolutely no sense. Sure, it can hit incorporeal creatures, but there are better ways to accomplish that by third level, especially for psions.

with the base power, you can create all simple melee weapon.
For 2 additional power points, you can create all martial melee weapons, and for another 2 power points you have all exotic melee weapons.

I add the power to the psychic warrior list as a level 1 power

And the last augment is modified like this : for every 4 (or 3?) power points, your force weapon get a +1 psionic enhancement bonus.
For exemple a 19 lvl psion can have a +3 bastard sword of force with 4pp augment or a +4 bastard sword of force with 3pp augment

For the nomad, it's a bad cut/paste, sorry.
I've skipped this line, so in whitch discipline would you place them?
You think Force Weapon should be a 1 lvl power?
SlanderPanic
06-01-07, 02:07 PM I would completely rework force weapon. Frankly, if I'm a psychic warrior and I'm looking for a power that will bring a weapon straight to my hand, I'll learn call weaponry. It's first level and I don't have to spend extra power points to get a martial or exotic weapon.

Instead of creating a weapon out of force, force weapon could instead cover a pre-existing weapon (or up to 20 pieces of ammunition) in a sheath of force for 1 round per level. This allows those weapons to ignore the normal 50% miss chance for attacking incorporeal creatures.

I would make it a second level psychic warrior power, which means nobody will have it until about 4th level, which is when that power starts being useful. (Shadows, at CR 3, are the lowest-CR incorporeal creatures that I can think of.) You could give it an augment to increase the duration to 1 minute per level at the cost of 4 power points if you like, but I don't think it's necessary.

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selenar 05-25-07, 10:59 AM	Hi everyone, I had already posted those powers but it seems that it had been deleted when they changed the board server, so I post them again. I hope they are not too unbalance and I don't know if the power level is ok. Wings of Force Psychoportation or Metacreation Level: Nomad 4 Display: Visual Manifesting Time: 1 standard action Range: Personal Target: You Duration: 1 min./level (D) Power Points: 7 The subject creates wings made of force in his back. Thoses wings can make him fly at a speed of 30 feet (or half if it wears medium or heavy armor, or if it carries a medium or heavy load). It can ascend at half speed and descend at double speed, and its maneuverability is poor. Using Wings of Force power requires only as much concentration as walking, so the subject can attack or manifest powers normally. The subject of Wings of Force power can charge but not run, and it cannot carry aloft more weight than its maximum load, plus any armor it wears. Should the power duration expire while the subject is still aloft, the power fails slowly. The subject floats downward 60 feet per round for 1d6 rounds. If it reaches the ground in that amount of time, it lands safely. If not, it falls the rest of the distance, taking 1d6 points of damage per 10 feet of fall. Since dispelling a power effectively ends it, the subject also descends in this way if the Wings of Force power is dispelled Augment: If you spend 3 additional power points, the subject can have a better maneuverability. For every 3 power point you spend in this way, you get a better maneuverability. If you spend 3 additional power points, the subject can have his speed increased by 30 feet. For every 3 power point you spend in this way, your speed increase by 30 feet. If you spend 6 additional power points, the duration extends to 10min/level. If you spend another 6 additional power points, the duration extends to 1h/level. Note : You can add augment to increase your speed and maneuverability and duration. For exemple a 16 level psion can spend 9 additional power points to have an maneuverability and a speed of 90 feet. Force Weapon Metacreation Level: Nomad 2 Display: Visual Manifesting Time: 1 standard action Range: Personal Target: You Duration: 1 min./level (D) Power Points: 3 You create a Simple Light Melee Weapon made of force that you know (a dagger or a sickle for example). You are proficient with this weapon for the duration of the power. Augment: For every 3 additional power points you spend, you increase the category of the weapon. (see table below) If you spend 5 additional power points, the weapon is considered psionic for purpose of overcoming damage reduction. Weapon category table +3 : Simple One-Handed Melee Weapons +6 : Simple Two-Handed Melee Weapons +9 : Martial Light Melee Weapons +12 : Martial One-Handed Melee Weapons +15 : Martial Two-Handed Melee Weapons +18 : Exotic Light Melee Weapons +21 : Exotic One-Handed Melee Weapons +25 : Exotic Two-Handed Melee Weapons
selenar 05-28-07, 03:04 AM	hi, nobody wants to comment thoses powers?
calronmoonflower 05-28-07, 03:56 AM	hi, nobody wants to comment thoses powers? I've always that of force as psychokinetic. perhaps you can make them dual metacreation/psychokinetic abilities. Also your last entry on the table for Force Weapon is off.
selenar 05-28-07, 08:37 AM	I've always that of force as psychokinetic. Where did you find them? Also your last entry on the table for Force Weapon is off. could you explain me why, please?
Batshido 05-28-07, 01:34 PM	could you explain me why, please? 3X8=24, not 25.
calronmoonflower 05-28-07, 04:39 PM	Where did you find them? Sorry. I misspelled it. I've thought of force as psychokinetic. I just looked up every power in the force mantle in the Complete Psionic. They are all listed as psychokinesis powers.
Surgo 05-28-07, 10:41 PM	Wow, I haven't posted on these boards in a loooooong time. Wings of Force seems okay, as essentially a worse version of Fly that can be augmented. I don't like the +3 points / +30 feet scaling though, I'd be happier if it scaled at 10 feet per one point, in intervals of one point. Also I'd maybe increase the unaugmented speed to 40 or even 50 feet so it's not that much worse than fly. The augments are expensive anyway, the unaugmented power doesn't deserve to be so much worse just because of them. Force Weapon is extremely underpowered; I would never use it. I'd rethink the entire table and how scaling should work. There's no reason that a two-handed exotic weapon should be +25 power points, or even a small nmber of power points above a simple single-handed weapon.
selenar 05-31-07, 03:12 AM	3X8=24, not 25. That's sure, sorry :D I just looked up every power in the force mantle in the Complete Psionic. They are all listed as psychokinesis powers. Ok so I will change them to psychokinesis powers. Wings of Force seems okay, as essentially a worse version of Fly that can be augmented. I don't like the +3 points / +30 feet scaling though, I'd be happier if it scaled at 10 feet per one point, in intervals of one point. Also I'd maybe increase the unaugmented speed to 40 or even 50 feet so it's not that much worse than fly. The augments are expensive anyway, the unaugmented power doesn't deserve to be so much worse just because of them. You're right, the speed augment is now 10 feet/1 power point and the base speed is increased to 50 feet. Force Weapon is extremely underpowered; I would never use it. I'd rethink the entire table and how scaling should work. There's no reason that a two-handed exotic weapon should be +25 power points, or even a small nmber of power points above a simple single-handed weapon. Ok, so: with the base power, you can create all simple melee weapon. For 2 additional power points, you can create all martial melee weapons, and for another 2 power points you have all exotic melee weapons. I add the power to the psychic warrior list as a level 1 power And the last augment is modified like this : for every 4 (or 3?) power points, your force weapon get a +1 psionic enhancement bonus. For exemple a 19 lvl psion can have a +3 bastard sword of force with 4pp augment or a +4 bastard sword of force with 3pp augment Are they better like this? I think that an augment is needed for the category of weapon because for a psion you have to take a feat to get weapon proficiency with one martial or exotic weapon. This power gives you proficiency with the weapon you create. For me, it's normal to pay some pp to get better weapons without taking a feat. I will soon post the powers description with these corrections.
IceFractal 05-31-07, 04:19 AM	I think Wings of Force is quite a bit underpowered. Compared to Fly, it's a level higher (for a movement specialist, at that), slower speed, worse manueverability, and self only. I'm all for "don't make Psionics broken just because some spells are", but neither should Psionics be far weaker than magic. So my suggestions would be either to make it 3rd level with the same starting traits as Fly (good manueverability, 60' speed), or else make it 2nd level, starting out weaker.
SlanderPanic 05-31-07, 03:49 PM	What Ice said, regarding wings of force, with the additional comment that it should be a psychokinesis[force] effect. Force weapon is horrid. It's the wrong discipline (again, it should be a psychokinesis[force] effect,) it's definitely not Nomad-appropriate, it's too high-level, and the augment makes absolutely no sense. Sure, it can hit incorporeal creatures, but there are better ways to accomplish that by third level, especially for psions.
selenar 06-01-07, 02:55 AM	What Ice said, regarding wings of force, with the additional comment that it should be a psychokinesis[force] effect. Force weapon is horrid. It's the wrong discipline (again, it should be a psychokinesis[force] effect,) Ok so I will change them to psychokinesis powers. it's definitely not Nomad-appropriate, it's too high-level, and the augment makes absolutely no sense. Sure, it can hit incorporeal creatures, but there are better ways to accomplish that by third level, especially for psions. with the base power, you can create all simple melee weapon. For 2 additional power points, you can create all martial melee weapons, and for another 2 power points you have all exotic melee weapons. I add the power to the psychic warrior list as a level 1 power And the last augment is modified like this : for every 4 (or 3?) power points, your force weapon get a +1 psionic enhancement bonus. For exemple a 19 lvl psion can have a +3 bastard sword of force with 4pp augment or a +4 bastard sword of force with 3pp augment For the nomad, it's a bad cut/paste, sorry. I've skipped this line, so in whitch discipline would you place them? You think Force Weapon should be a 1 lvl power?
SlanderPanic 06-01-07, 02:07 PM	I would completely rework force weapon. Frankly, if I'm a psychic warrior and I'm looking for a power that will bring a weapon straight to my hand, I'll learn call weaponry. It's first level and I don't have to spend extra power points to get a martial or exotic weapon. Instead of creating a weapon out of force, force weapon could instead cover a pre-existing weapon (or up to 20 pieces of ammunition) in a sheath of force for 1 round per level. This allows those weapons to ignore the normal 50% miss chance for attacking incorporeal creatures. I would make it a second level psychic warrior power, which means nobody will have it until about 4th level, which is when that power starts being useful. (Shadows, at CR 3, are the lowest-CR incorporeal creatures that I can think of.) You could give it an augment to increase the duration to 1 minute per level at the cost of 4 power points if you like, but I don't think it's necessary.