Deep Crystal questions [Archive] - Wizards Community

Deep Crystal questions [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Andramadus
07-16-07, 04:03 AM I was wondering just how many points you can put into Deep Crystal? Is it unlimited? Is it manifester level?

Next question can dorjes, power stones, and psicrowns be crafted with this material, if so what is the effect?

Crystal, Deep
Deep crystal is crystal of above-average quality found at the hearts of large veins or deposits of mundane crystal (see below). Deep crystal is renowned for its strength and its psionically resonant nature. Mundane crystal is used for many items of psionic manufacture, such as dorjes, power stones, and psicrystals. Deep crystal is a better grade.

While a weapon made of deep crystal is no different from a mundane crystal weapon for a nonpsionic character, a psionic wielder of a deep crystal weapon can focus psionic power through it, increasing the damage that weapon deals. As a free action that does not provoke attacks of opportunity, the wielder can channel psionic power into a melee weapon or ranged weapon made of deep crystal. For 2 power points, the deep crystal weapon deals an extra 2d6 points of damage. The weapon will stay charged for 1 minute or until it scores its next hit. Bows, crossbows, and slings bestow this power on their ammunition. All missile weapons lose this effect if they miss. However, they may be recovered and charged again.

Any weapon made of deep crystal costs 1,000 gp more than its noncrystal counterpart. Any item could potentially be made out of deep crystal. Because deep crystal armor is considered to be made out of metal, druids cannot wear it.

Deep crystal has 30 hit points per inch of thickness and a hardness of 10.
AdventChild
07-16-07, 05:47 AM I was wondering just how many points you can put into Deep Crystal? Is it unlimited? Is it manifester level?
It is pretty clear my friend:
For 2 power points, the deep crystal weapon deals an extra 2d6 points of damage. The weapon will stay charged for 1 minute or until it scores its next hit. 10.

You spend 2 pp and it gives you 2d6 thats it, it is not unlimited otherwise it would read "for every 2 power points"

Next question can dorjes, power stones, and psicrowns be crafted with this material, if so what is the effect?

Also very simple:

Any item could potentially be made out of deep crystal.

There for any item made out of Deepcrystal has 30 hit points per inch of thickness and a hardness of 10. If you want to go RAW then u could use a dorje or a power stone or a psicrown made out of deepcrystal as an improvised weapon spend the 2 pp and have your improvised weapon charged up anyways any DM could rule otherwise.
Mesiolan
07-16-07, 06:42 AM Can you channel 2pp into the crystal weapon more than 1/round?

It says "free action", so it might be possible to charge the weapon before or after every successful strike. And what if you have TWF and two deep crystal weapons?

Imagine a gish build with a BAB of 16+, who has TWF and is hasted. He burns through his pp very fast if he is allowed to charge his weapons several times a round, but is king of smack for a few rounds.
Tiarn
07-16-07, 07:07 AM Can you channel 2pp into the crystal weapon more than 1/round?

It says "free action", so it might be possible to charge the weapon before or after every successful strike. And what if you have TWF and two deep crystal weapons?
...

Unless this is already addressed in the errata, (I haven't actually looked) I would imagine this to be the case. Swift actions are a decently big part of the XPH and I can't imagine they would use the term free action unless it was a typo or meant to work like that.
AdventChild
07-16-07, 07:18 AM Can you channel 2pp into the crystal weapon more than 1/round?

Yes. However, the weapon will remain charge for 1 minute or until you hit so unless you hit recharging it while its still charge wont stack. Also your DM could limit how many free actions you can take in a round but technically you can charge it more the once per round.

It says "free action", so it might be possible to charge the weapon before or after every successful strike.

Yes its possible but your DM might limit how many free actions u can take in one round.

And what if you have TWF and two deep crystal weapons?

one weapon made of deepcrystal:
2 pp = 2d6 damage

two weapons made of deep crystal:
weapon #1: 2 pp = 2d6 damage
weapon #2: 2 pp = 2d6 damage

There for you would have to spend 4 pp (2pp for each weapon) thats if u want to have both weapons to be charged, it doesnt matter if you have a thousand arms with a thousand deepcrystal sword, you would have to pay the 2pp for each weapon to be charged.

Imagine a gish build with a BAB of 16+, who has TWF and is hasted. He burns through his pp very fast if he is allowed to charge his weapons several times a round, but is king of smack for a few rounds.

Maybe, but he better pray that there arent any other opponents or encounters on that day otherwise he will be depleting his pps when he can simply use them for something more useful.
AdventChild
07-16-07, 07:19 AM Unless this is already addressed in the errata, (I haven't actually looked) I would imagine this to be the case. Swift actions are a decently big part of the XPH and I can't imagine they would use the term free action unless it was a typo or meant to work like that.

no errata, and it is a free action(not a swift or any other type of action).
DrStalker
07-17-07, 01:38 AM 1PP for 1d6 damage to one target is nothing, compared to other ways to use PPs to do damage. It might allow a higher than usual burst damage for a TWF gith-type, but it's hardly unbalancing.
DrowBattlemind
07-17-07, 02:48 AM 2pp. That'll give you an extra 2D6 damage.
The only way to augment that (other than making the deep-crystal weapon magical or psionic-enhanced) is to get the Psionic Weapon feat (+2D6 more damage when psionic focus is expended), and later with Greater Psionic Weapon (which adds another +2D6, for a total of +4D6, when your psi-focus gets expended.)

Added all together, Deep Crystal +2 pp +Psionic Weapon & Greater Psionic Weapon (expending psionic focus) = weapon base damage + Str bonus damage + 6D6 (undetermined, possibly force) damage
CrimsonDeath
07-17-07, 03:11 AM 2pp. That'll give you an extra 2D6 damage.
The only way to augment that (other than making the deep-crystal weapon magical or psionic-enhanced) is to get the Psionic Weapon feat (+2D6 more damage when psionic focus is expended), and later with Greater Psionic Weapon (which adds another +2D6, for a total of +4D6, when your psi-focus gets expended.)

Added all together, Deep Crystal +2 pp +Psionic Weapon & Greater Psionic Weapon (expending psionic focus) = weapon base damage + Str bonus damage + 6D6 (undetermined, possibly force) damage

Once per round, if you also have Psionic Meditation. Every other round if you don't. And remember, those PP you spend on the deep crystal weapon are PP you're not spending manifesting powers.
Tiarn
07-17-07, 04:14 AM ...Added all together, Deep Crystal +2 pp +Psionic Weapon & Greater Psionic Weapon (expending psionic focus) = weapon base damage + Str bonus damage + 6D6 (undetermined, possibly force) damage...

Nope, it's weapon damage. That means if your weapon isn't adamantine, cold iron, etc (and it's not, since it's deep crystal) it doesn't ignore those types of damage reduction.
Kanachi
07-17-07, 06:26 AM To be honest it seems like deep crystal is kind of a waste of time in the long run… Is this the consensus other people have come to as well?
AdventChild
07-17-07, 06:30 AM To be honest it seems like deep crystal is kind of a waste of time in the long run… Is this the consensus other people have come to as well?

If you dont rely much on manifesting powers is not THAT bad, but certainly is not a must have. Sometimes 2d6 of damage could make the difference when generally you take a stanard action to manifest a power and there is a chance that it might not work or that u miss.
vahju
07-17-07, 11:22 AM The power points you use to charge a deep crystal weapons do they have to come from your psi point pool or can you use items like dead ioun stones or cognizance crystals.
Jaid
07-17-07, 01:38 PM The power points you use to charge a deep crystal weapons do they have to come from your psi point pool or can you use items like dead ioun stones or cognizance crystals.dead ioun stones have only 1 power point. this is not enough to power the weapon, and you cannot combine multiple sources of power points, so for an ioun stone, no.

cognizance crystals, provided they have more than 1 PP stored, yes.

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Andramadus 07-16-07, 04:03 AM	I was wondering just how many points you can put into Deep Crystal? Is it unlimited? Is it manifester level? Next question can dorjes, power stones, and psicrowns be crafted with this material, if so what is the effect? Crystal, Deep Deep crystal is crystal of above-average quality found at the hearts of large veins or deposits of mundane crystal (see below). Deep crystal is renowned for its strength and its psionically resonant nature. Mundane crystal is used for many items of psionic manufacture, such as dorjes, power stones, and psicrystals. Deep crystal is a better grade. While a weapon made of deep crystal is no different from a mundane crystal weapon for a nonpsionic character, a psionic wielder of a deep crystal weapon can focus psionic power through it, increasing the damage that weapon deals. As a free action that does not provoke attacks of opportunity, the wielder can channel psionic power into a melee weapon or ranged weapon made of deep crystal. For 2 power points, the deep crystal weapon deals an extra 2d6 points of damage. The weapon will stay charged for 1 minute or until it scores its next hit. Bows, crossbows, and slings bestow this power on their ammunition. All missile weapons lose this effect if they miss. However, they may be recovered and charged again. Any weapon made of deep crystal costs 1,000 gp more than its noncrystal counterpart. Any item could potentially be made out of deep crystal. Because deep crystal armor is considered to be made out of metal, druids cannot wear it. Deep crystal has 30 hit points per inch of thickness and a hardness of 10.
AdventChild 07-16-07, 05:47 AM	I was wondering just how many points you can put into Deep Crystal? Is it unlimited? Is it manifester level? It is pretty clear my friend: For 2 power points, the deep crystal weapon deals an extra 2d6 points of damage. The weapon will stay charged for 1 minute or until it scores its next hit. 10. You spend 2 pp and it gives you 2d6 thats it, it is not unlimited otherwise it would read "for every 2 power points" Next question can dorjes, power stones, and psicrowns be crafted with this material, if so what is the effect? Also very simple: Any item could potentially be made out of deep crystal. There for any item made out of Deepcrystal has 30 hit points per inch of thickness and a hardness of 10. If you want to go RAW then u could use a dorje or a power stone or a psicrown made out of deepcrystal as an improvised weapon spend the 2 pp and have your improvised weapon charged up anyways any DM could rule otherwise.
Mesiolan 07-16-07, 06:42 AM	Can you channel 2pp into the crystal weapon more than 1/round? It says "free action", so it might be possible to charge the weapon before or after every successful strike. And what if you have TWF and two deep crystal weapons? Imagine a gish build with a BAB of 16+, who has TWF and is hasted. He burns through his pp very fast if he is allowed to charge his weapons several times a round, but is king of smack for a few rounds.
Tiarn 07-16-07, 07:07 AM	Can you channel 2pp into the crystal weapon more than 1/round? It says "free action", so it might be possible to charge the weapon before or after every successful strike. And what if you have TWF and two deep crystal weapons? ... Unless this is already addressed in the errata, (I haven't actually looked) I would imagine this to be the case. Swift actions are a decently big part of the XPH and I can't imagine they would use the term free action unless it was a typo or meant to work like that.
AdventChild 07-16-07, 07:18 AM	Can you channel 2pp into the crystal weapon more than 1/round? Yes. However, the weapon will remain charge for 1 minute or until you hit so unless you hit recharging it while its still charge wont stack. Also your DM could limit how many free actions you can take in a round but technically you can charge it more the once per round. It says "free action", so it might be possible to charge the weapon before or after every successful strike. Yes its possible but your DM might limit how many free actions u can take in one round. And what if you have TWF and two deep crystal weapons? one weapon made of deepcrystal: 2 pp = 2d6 damage two weapons made of deep crystal: weapon #1: 2 pp = 2d6 damage weapon #2: 2 pp = 2d6 damage There for you would have to spend 4 pp (2pp for each weapon) thats if u want to have both weapons to be charged, it doesnt matter if you have a thousand arms with a thousand deepcrystal sword, you would have to pay the 2pp for each weapon to be charged. Imagine a gish build with a BAB of 16+, who has TWF and is hasted. He burns through his pp very fast if he is allowed to charge his weapons several times a round, but is king of smack for a few rounds. Maybe, but he better pray that there arent any other opponents or encounters on that day otherwise he will be depleting his pps when he can simply use them for something more useful.
AdventChild 07-16-07, 07:19 AM	Unless this is already addressed in the errata, (I haven't actually looked) I would imagine this to be the case. Swift actions are a decently big part of the XPH and I can't imagine they would use the term free action unless it was a typo or meant to work like that. no errata, and it is a free action(not a swift or any other type of action).
DrStalker 07-17-07, 01:38 AM	1PP for 1d6 damage to one target is nothing, compared to other ways to use PPs to do damage. It might allow a higher than usual burst damage for a TWF gith-type, but it's hardly unbalancing.
DrowBattlemind 07-17-07, 02:48 AM	2pp. That'll give you an extra 2D6 damage. The only way to augment that (other than making the deep-crystal weapon magical or psionic-enhanced) is to get the Psionic Weapon feat (+2D6 more damage when psionic focus is expended), and later with Greater Psionic Weapon (which adds another +2D6, for a total of +4D6, when your psi-focus gets expended.) Added all together, Deep Crystal +2 pp +Psionic Weapon & Greater Psionic Weapon (expending psionic focus) = weapon base damage + Str bonus damage + 6D6 (undetermined, possibly force) damage
CrimsonDeath 07-17-07, 03:11 AM	2pp. That'll give you an extra 2D6 damage. The only way to augment that (other than making the deep-crystal weapon magical or psionic-enhanced) is to get the Psionic Weapon feat (+2D6 more damage when psionic focus is expended), and later with Greater Psionic Weapon (which adds another +2D6, for a total of +4D6, when your psi-focus gets expended.) Added all together, Deep Crystal +2 pp +Psionic Weapon & Greater Psionic Weapon (expending psionic focus) = weapon base damage + Str bonus damage + 6D6 (undetermined, possibly force) damage Once per round, if you also have Psionic Meditation. Every other round if you don't. And remember, those PP you spend on the deep crystal weapon are PP you're not spending manifesting powers.
Tiarn 07-17-07, 04:14 AM	...Added all together, Deep Crystal +2 pp +Psionic Weapon & Greater Psionic Weapon (expending psionic focus) = weapon base damage + Str bonus damage + 6D6 (undetermined, possibly force) damage... Nope, it's weapon damage. That means if your weapon isn't adamantine, cold iron, etc (and it's not, since it's deep crystal) it doesn't ignore those types of damage reduction.
Kanachi 07-17-07, 06:26 AM	To be honest it seems like deep crystal is kind of a waste of time in the long run… Is this the consensus other people have come to as well?
AdventChild 07-17-07, 06:30 AM	To be honest it seems like deep crystal is kind of a waste of time in the long run… Is this the consensus other people have come to as well? If you dont rely much on manifesting powers is not THAT bad, but certainly is not a must have. Sometimes 2d6 of damage could make the difference when generally you take a stanard action to manifest a power and there is a chance that it might not work or that u miss.
vahju 07-17-07, 11:22 AM	The power points you use to charge a deep crystal weapons do they have to come from your psi point pool or can you use items like dead ioun stones or cognizance crystals.
Jaid 07-17-07, 01:38 PM	The power points you use to charge a deep crystal weapons do they have to come from your psi point pool or can you use items like dead ioun stones or cognizance crystals.dead ioun stones have only 1 power point. this is not enough to power the weapon, and you cannot combine multiple sources of power points, so for an ioun stone, no. cognizance crystals, provided they have more than 1 PP stored, yes.