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ck2001wendt 03-11-07, 01:27 PM	Is it just me, or is this PrC (in Dragon Magic) really, REALLY good for a Psion? -Easy entry reqs (Psion 6), with Alignment being the most restrictive. -D8 HP, Rogue BAB, 2 Good Saves! -Minor Physical Stat Boost -basically free powers (Fly, weaker claws/tail of the beast, situationally useful Energy Missile) -8/10 ML Obviously this was made for the PsyWarrior, but I think Psions get just as much mileage out of it as a Psion 15/Diamond Dragon 5 or Psion 5/Anarchic Initiate 10/Diamond Dragon 5.
Artector 03-11-07, 01:40 PM	You'd get more out a Psion/Slayer Gish build I'd think. The claws are ok, but that also means you are a caster in melee. The stat boosts to CON are a bonus (what full manifestor gets it to STR or DEX?) The wings are basically Fly, Psionic (IIRC) for "free" PS: Anarchiac Initiate is broken.
awaken_D_M_golem 03-11-07, 01:58 PM	I get all wal-mart smiley faced :) over the second level class feature. @ ~7th level: 1pp semi-schism that augments better than any other melee power. oooh ... and it stacks with schism. lets see , where's Haldrik's best powers list - melee suicide - so what. the rest of the class gets a *meh* from me , but that's someone elses schtick ;) Only problem is the bab loss , i.e. can't do an Ardent gish and get bab +19 , wah ... still get those full 8+9'ers going.
vahju 03-11-07, 03:12 PM	What book is this PrC in?
Nexis 03-11-07, 03:19 PM	What book is this PrC in? Is it just me, or is this PrC (in Dragon Magic) really, REALLY good for a Psion? Hmmmm...
ssvegeta555 03-11-07, 03:32 PM	IMO the PrC sucks compared to the cleric equivilent in the same book (Swift Wing I think?). The cleric one gets his wings sooner, and gets to activate them as a swift action, no duration whatso ever and I beleive it has a faster speed. The only thing the Diamand Dragon has that is better, is his wings which are perfect maneaverability. But the cleric can easily pick up that feat that increase the fly speed maneaverability by one, making it perfect. But my main beef about the class is its durations for it's abilities. All of them last for 1 minute per manifester level, not to mention they also cost power points to activate each one. Granted, the PP costs are not that high, but the duration of the abilities make it costly over the long run. It's a nice class (easily one of my favs), but the durations should be 1 hour per level or at the least 10 minutes per level.
The_Shaman 03-11-07, 03:40 PM	Well, I'm not that impressed. The "free" powers compensate more or less for the 2 manifester levels you learn, unless you're a wilder or some such. It has some minor boosts... but I can't say it's that impressive. If you're a full-time psion, you get a higher manifesting level, ultimately the same number of powers known, more PP, and 2 more psionic feats. It's okay-ish, as every manifesting class gets something out of it, but it pales to transparency compared to the Slayer. Perhaps if you have a separate manifesting progression or some such it could be more useful.
Millenia 03-11-07, 07:02 PM	Which issue of Dragon magazine is this PrC from?
ssvegeta555 03-11-07, 07:15 PM	Which issue of Dragon magazine is this PrC from? It's actually from a WotC book, Dragon Magic.
Millenia 03-11-07, 08:49 PM	It's actually from a WotC book, Dragon Magic. Oh.... oops! I misread. >.<
Asadeseth 03-11-07, 11:00 PM	It is a cool PRC, that and that Knight PRC from the Lords of Madness (don't have it here right now and can't think of the name). Those 2 almost make a Psion meele worthy.
aelryinth 03-12-07, 01:22 AM	Knights of Topaz? ===Aelryinth
AbyssKnight 03-12-07, 11:13 AM	I believe you refer to Sanctified Mind. The Topaz Guardian does not advance psionics.
awaken_D_M_golem 03-12-07, 04:35 PM	More on that 2nd level class feature : { ... did I just say moron about myself ... } Claw of the Beast but slighty better , initially. Half an O-Prescience , but 'augments' faster. O-Precognition and 'augments' faster. Extra action is a less weildy schism , but build-able. commentary : If this was a 5th level PsyWar power , even at full cost , I'd still take it. since it's coming in late , with a cost , it's not out-of-line. An Ardent w/ practised -fester wouldn't notice the 1 -fester level loss. I'm saying level 2 or 4 on a dip.
Asadeseth 03-13-07, 03:44 AM	Goodness no not the Topaz junk, the Sanctified Mind was the one I was talking about. I just don't have my LoM here right now and couldnt rember the name.
ck2001wendt 03-13-07, 06:47 AM	An Ardent w/ practised -fester wouldn't notice the 1 -fester level loss. I'm saying level 2 or 4 on a dip. If you're a Psion I'd stop at 5, to get the 2nd physical stat boost. D8 HP also the average equivalent of 10 extra HP over a Psion. Psion/Diamond Dragon/Slayer would probably be a good build.
awaken_D_M_golem 03-13-07, 04:55 PM	eeehh ... :( I don't know. Lose a -fester level and a BAB and one stat boost vs. Metamophosis. I'd rather keep the level and the BAB , and get to Metamoph sooner / better. Psion 5 / DD 2 / Slayer 9 / +1BAB 2 / +1BAB 2 in some order other than i just wrote w/ pratised manifester Ardent 5 / DD 2 / +1BAB 2 / 2 more into DD or something else / Slayer 9 Slayer last w/ Ardent gets full 8+9s if yer careful
awaken_D_M_golem 03-15-07, 04:21 PM	Another idea is Lurk. Lurk 9 with the feat that increases the class feature by 2 levels. OK , one stab attack gets you PP , potentially lots of them , but its capped. with DD 2 and later a schism , up and running ... the stab PP to out-flow PP ratio should/could be pretty close. Can you say PP recharge-o-rama without BestowPower or feats ?! Might top out Lurk or +2 levels for Lurk 11 , retrain the feat into something useful. oh yeah , Psi-/magic transparency is yummy.
SlanderPanic 03-15-07, 04:57 PM	I thought fester levels were what cancer mages gained. :rimshot:
awaken_D_M_golem 03-15-07, 07:00 PM	Judy an-Gar-land says : don't mitigate my disease don't mitigate my disease don't mitigate my disease clicks her 'heals' and end up ---> here