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Egoist 6-level build help [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Nabuchadnezzar
12-28-07, 06:57 AM Hello everbody.
I'm going to start as the level 1 psion in this party:
Half-elf female CN bard
Human male CG warlock
Warforged LN fighter
Human male NG egoist

I don't need social power, since there is already a bard, but the group needs healing and knowledge.
Help me enhancing this 6-level deep build (I'll reform at 7th level).
We'll use XPH and CPsi for psionic rules. Eberron setting.

STR 9
DEX 12
CON 14
INT 15 (16 by 4th level)
WIS 14
CHA 11

Feats:
1) Psicrystal affinity (Single-minded) (Psicrystal affinity (Nimble) at 7)
1) Psionic talent (Extend power at 7)
1) Enlarge power
3) Expand Knowledge (Astral construct)
5) Expand Knowledge (Body Purification) (Boost construct at 7)
6) Craft dorje (Metamorphic transfer at 7)

Skills:
Knowledge (psionic) 8 ranks
Psicraft 9 ranks
Concentration 9 ranks
Autohypnosis 9 ranks
Heal 9 ranks
Knowledge (all the other 10) 1 rank

There are 11 Knowledge fields (Arcana, Architecture and engineering, Dungeoneering, Geography, History, Local, Nature, Nobility and royalty, Religion, The planes, Psionic), so the first 20 ranks will be:
1 for every single knowledge field
2 concentration
3 autohypnosis
3 heal
1 psicraft
I'll max out psicraft, concentration, autohypnosis, heal and knowledge (psionic) in the first 12 levels, then I'll put extra ranks in other knowledge fields.

Powers known by level:
1) Vigor, Call to mind (Precognition, defensive at 7), Matter agitation (Inertial armor at 7)
2) Missive (Energy ray at 7), Grease (Entangling ectoplasm at 7)
3) Share pain, Empathic transfer, [Astral construct]
4) Ego whip, Animal affinity
5) Dispel psionic, Energy wall
6) Mental barrier, Touchsight

I'll craft level 1 (Enlarged if applicable) "Call to mind", "Matter agitation", "Missive", "Grease" and "Body Purification (power level 2, manifester level 4)" dorjes at level 6 or early level 7 before reformation, these will be enough for the rest of my carreer I think...

AC will be boosted by leather armor, then up to mithril chainmail and darkwood heavy shield, or masterwork studded leather armor and darkwood heavy shield. By level 7 my armor will be (extended) Inertial armor, good with Metamorphosis.

EDIT in blue
Lycanthromancer
12-28-07, 12:41 PM Given that you're working with CPsi rules, I'd change crystal shard to energy ray, as you won't have to deal with DR. Also, beg off on the astral construct nerf. It's pointless.

Also, can you use anything from Magic of Incarnum? Excellent for low-level characters.
Nabuchadnezzar
12-28-07, 12:55 PM No magic of incarnum :(
Crystal shard is for high SR/PR monsters, because it is not affected by SR/PR and AMF/NPF...

DR 15 is the greatest one at high levels, so it's 4d6 less damage, or empowered 3d6 less damage (I'll take empower power at 10 or so)

Crystal shard is stopped by DR
Energy ray is stopped by Energy resistance (but I can choose), SR/PR, AMF/NPF

Do you really prefer energy ray over crystal shard?
InkBlot
12-28-07, 01:44 PM DR seems to be common around 7th level. Power Resistance doesn't seem to kick in until maybe 12th. I say keep energy ray for now, but as soon as you actually start encountering more PR than DR, switch it out.

After all, the beautiful thing about psychic reformation is that you can change your abilities when you need to, rather than only when you level-up.
Lycanthromancer
12-28-07, 01:59 PM Psychic Reformation + psionic contingency FTW!

At -9 and need more hp? Get Psionic Body. NOW. :)

[/non-sequitur]
Nabuchadnezzar
12-28-07, 02:40 PM You are right!
I take Energy ray as a 2nd level psion, so I use 50 xp less when it will be time to reform :D
I'll contingency dispel psionic at level 14-, revivify at level 15-17, and dispel temporal acceleration at level 18+ I think (please suggest me!)...
I really don't think I'll need those few extra hit points given by psionic body... If I've taken enough damage to exhaust shared pain and vigor, contingency won't save me :D
Lycanthromancer
12-29-07, 12:18 PM Note that you can have more than one psionic contingency going at once, but you can only have one secondary power active at one time.

:D
Nabuchadnezzar
12-29-07, 07:53 PM What you mean? ;)

EDIT:
For a better healer, would you take Expanded Knowledge (Body Purification, from Psychic Warrior power list) at 5th level instead of Boost Construct?
I'll make a dorje of Body Purification too at level 6 (power level 2, manifester level 4, so it would cost only 3000 gp, 240 xp and 6 days, and it will restore 3 ability damage per charge), then at level 7 I'll change that feat to Boost Construct (exactly when menu B comes in play). So I'll have a way to restore ability damage (in conjunction with Empathic transfer) until I get Psionic Restoration at 11.

If this is a good idea, do you think that EK (Astral Construct) is still a good feat for level 3? Or should I take a different level 1 power to eventually put in a dorje at level 6 before reformation?

EDIT2:
I think it's better to have 2 more pp at 1st level over 4 more hp (up to +8 hp at level 5) because 2 pp spent in vigor are actually more than what I'll gain with Psionic body.
So, maybe it's better to take Psionic talent instead of Psionic body.
Lycanthromancer
12-30-07, 02:29 PM Take a close look at the psionic contingency power. You can have more than one up, but you can only have one actually activated at one time.
Nabuchadnezzar
12-30-07, 02:42 PM what's the good thing in having more than one up?
Lycanthromancer
12-30-07, 02:50 PM You can have multiple contingencies using multiple secondary powers.

For instance:

"If I fall more than 20 feet, manifest psionic fly."
"If I die, manifest psionic revivify." (Which some don't believe can be done.)
"If I get subject to any negative status effect that can be dispelled, manifest dispel psionics."
"If I click my heels together and think 'FLOCCINAUCINIHILIPILIFICATION,' manifest psychic reformation."

You can have all of those up simultaneously, but only one can activate at a time.
Nabuchadnezzar
12-30-07, 05:44 PM Are you serious?!? :eek:
I didn't read like that... It seems like onlyu one contingency at a time can be active, but I really hope I am wrong!

Please, make an example in which this sentence is important, so I can take this example to my DM and explain better:
You can use only one psionic contingency companion power at a time; if a second is manifested, the first one (if still active) is dismissed.

Contingency is already in effect when the psion dies (it hasn't duration:concentration), so it's ok to contingency a revivify (I am dead so it has effect on me!) :)

But I can contingency a planeshift (positive energy plane) if I am at negative hit points!

So, the two contingencies would trigger one a second after the other, so I will avoid death for 230 XP per manifestation (at least once every 30 days since I'll overchannel and extend it at 13th level)!

What do you think about those two EDIT in my previous posts?

EDIT:
For a better healer, would you take Expanded Knowledge (Body Purification, from Psychic Warrior power list) at 5th level instead of Boost Construct?
I'll make a dorje of Body Purification too at level 6 (power level 2, manifester level 4, so it would cost only 3000 gp, 240 xp and 6 days, and it will restore 3 ability damage per charge), then at level 7 I'll change that feat to Boost Construct (exactly when menu B comes in play). So I'll have a way to restore ability damage (in conjunction with Empathic transfer) until I get Psionic Restoration at 11.

If this is a good idea, do you think that EK (Astral Construct) is still a good feat for level 3? Or should I take a different level 1 power to eventually put in a dorje at level 6 before reformation?

EDIT2:
I think it's better to have 2 more pp at 1st level over 4 more hp (up to +8 hp at level 5) because 2 pp spent in vigor are actually more than what I'll gain with Psionic body.
So, maybe it's better to take Psionic talent instead of Psionic body.

EDIT:
I'm thinking about placing points in healing, for background (I'm the group healer, and healing is also a class skill for an egoist)...
lvl1: psicraft 1, knowledge (all 11) 1, concentration 2, autohypnosis 3, healing 3
lvl3: psicraft 3, knowledge (psionics) 3, knowledge (other 10) 1, concentration 4, autohypnosis 5, healing 5
lvl7: psicraft 9, knowledge (psionics) 8, knowledge (other 10) 1, concentration 9, autohypnosis 9, healing 9
lvl12: psicraft 15, knowledge (psionics) 15, knowledge (other 10) 1, concentration 15, autohypnosis 15, healing 15
By level 13 I will start putting points in other knowledge fields.
What do you think?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Nabuchadnezzar 12-28-07, 06:57 AM	Hello everbody. I'm going to start as the level 1 psion in this party: Half-elf female CN bard Human male CG warlock Warforged LN fighter Human male NG egoist I don't need social power, since there is already a bard, but the group needs healing and knowledge. Help me enhancing this 6-level deep build (I'll reform at 7th level). We'll use XPH and CPsi for psionic rules. Eberron setting. STR 9 DEX 12 CON 14 INT 15 (16 by 4th level) WIS 14 CHA 11 Feats: 1) Psicrystal affinity (Single-minded) (Psicrystal affinity (Nimble) at 7) 1) Psionic talent (Extend power at 7) 1) Enlarge power 3) Expand Knowledge (Astral construct) 5) Expand Knowledge (Body Purification) (Boost construct at 7) 6) Craft dorje (Metamorphic transfer at 7) Skills: Knowledge (psionic) 8 ranks Psicraft 9 ranks Concentration 9 ranks Autohypnosis 9 ranks Heal 9 ranks Knowledge (all the other 10) 1 rank There are 11 Knowledge fields (Arcana, Architecture and engineering, Dungeoneering, Geography, History, Local, Nature, Nobility and royalty, Religion, The planes, Psionic), so the first 20 ranks will be: 1 for every single knowledge field 2 concentration 3 autohypnosis 3 heal 1 psicraft I'll max out psicraft, concentration, autohypnosis, heal and knowledge (psionic) in the first 12 levels, then I'll put extra ranks in other knowledge fields. Powers known by level: 1) Vigor, Call to mind (Precognition, defensive at 7), Matter agitation (Inertial armor at 7) 2) Missive (Energy ray at 7), Grease (Entangling ectoplasm at 7) 3) Share pain, Empathic transfer, [Astral construct] 4) Ego whip, Animal affinity 5) Dispel psionic, Energy wall 6) Mental barrier, Touchsight I'll craft level 1 (Enlarged if applicable) "Call to mind", "Matter agitation", "Missive", "Grease" and "Body Purification (power level 2, manifester level 4)" dorjes at level 6 or early level 7 before reformation, these will be enough for the rest of my carreer I think... AC will be boosted by leather armor, then up to mithril chainmail and darkwood heavy shield, or masterwork studded leather armor and darkwood heavy shield. By level 7 my armor will be (extended) Inertial armor, good with Metamorphosis. EDIT in blue
Lycanthromancer 12-28-07, 12:41 PM	Given that you're working with CPsi rules, I'd change crystal shard to energy ray, as you won't have to deal with DR. Also, beg off on the astral construct nerf. It's pointless. Also, can you use anything from Magic of Incarnum? Excellent for low-level characters.
Nabuchadnezzar 12-28-07, 12:55 PM	No magic of incarnum :( Crystal shard is for high SR/PR monsters, because it is not affected by SR/PR and AMF/NPF... DR 15 is the greatest one at high levels, so it's 4d6 less damage, or empowered 3d6 less damage (I'll take empower power at 10 or so) Crystal shard is stopped by DR Energy ray is stopped by Energy resistance (but I can choose), SR/PR, AMF/NPF Do you really prefer energy ray over crystal shard?
InkBlot 12-28-07, 01:44 PM	DR seems to be common around 7th level. Power Resistance doesn't seem to kick in until maybe 12th. I say keep energy ray for now, but as soon as you actually start encountering more PR than DR, switch it out. After all, the beautiful thing about psychic reformation is that you can change your abilities when you need to, rather than only when you level-up.
Lycanthromancer 12-28-07, 01:59 PM	Psychic Reformation + psionic contingency FTW! At -9 and need more hp? Get Psionic Body. NOW. :) [/non-sequitur]
Nabuchadnezzar 12-28-07, 02:40 PM	You are right! I take Energy ray as a 2nd level psion, so I use 50 xp less when it will be time to reform :D I'll contingency dispel psionic at level 14-, revivify at level 15-17, and dispel temporal acceleration at level 18+ I think (please suggest me!)... I really don't think I'll need those few extra hit points given by psionic body... If I've taken enough damage to exhaust shared pain and vigor, contingency won't save me :D
Lycanthromancer 12-29-07, 12:18 PM	Note that you can have more than one psionic contingency going at once, but you can only have one secondary power active at one time. :D
Nabuchadnezzar 12-29-07, 07:53 PM	What you mean? ;) EDIT: For a better healer, would you take Expanded Knowledge (Body Purification, from Psychic Warrior power list) at 5th level instead of Boost Construct? I'll make a dorje of Body Purification too at level 6 (power level 2, manifester level 4, so it would cost only 3000 gp, 240 xp and 6 days, and it will restore 3 ability damage per charge), then at level 7 I'll change that feat to Boost Construct (exactly when menu B comes in play). So I'll have a way to restore ability damage (in conjunction with Empathic transfer) until I get Psionic Restoration at 11. If this is a good idea, do you think that EK (Astral Construct) is still a good feat for level 3? Or should I take a different level 1 power to eventually put in a dorje at level 6 before reformation? EDIT2: I think it's better to have 2 more pp at 1st level over 4 more hp (up to +8 hp at level 5) because 2 pp spent in vigor are actually more than what I'll gain with Psionic body. So, maybe it's better to take Psionic talent instead of Psionic body.
Lycanthromancer 12-30-07, 02:29 PM	Take a close look at the psionic contingency power. You can have more than one up, but you can only have one actually activated at one time.
Nabuchadnezzar 12-30-07, 02:42 PM	what's the good thing in having more than one up?
Lycanthromancer 12-30-07, 02:50 PM	You can have multiple contingencies using multiple secondary powers. For instance: "If I fall more than 20 feet, manifest psionic fly." "If I die, manifest psionic revivify." (Which some don't believe can be done.) "If I get subject to any negative status effect that can be dispelled, manifest dispel psionics." "If I click my heels together and think 'FLOCCINAUCINIHILIPILIFICATION,' manifest psychic reformation." You can have all of those up simultaneously, but only one can activate at a time.
Nabuchadnezzar 12-30-07, 05:44 PM	Are you serious?!? :eek: I didn't read like that... It seems like onlyu one contingency at a time can be active, but I really hope I am wrong! Please, make an example in which this sentence is important, so I can take this example to my DM and explain better: You can use only one psionic contingency companion power at a time; if a second is manifested, the first one (if still active) is dismissed. Contingency is already in effect when the psion dies (it hasn't duration:concentration), so it's ok to contingency a revivify (I am dead so it has effect on me!) :) But I can contingency a planeshift (positive energy plane) if I am at negative hit points! So, the two contingencies would trigger one a second after the other, so I will avoid death for 230 XP per manifestation (at least once every 30 days since I'll overchannel and extend it at 13th level)! What do you think about those two EDIT in my previous posts? EDIT: For a better healer, would you take Expanded Knowledge (Body Purification, from Psychic Warrior power list) at 5th level instead of Boost Construct? I'll make a dorje of Body Purification too at level 6 (power level 2, manifester level 4, so it would cost only 3000 gp, 240 xp and 6 days, and it will restore 3 ability damage per charge), then at level 7 I'll change that feat to Boost Construct (exactly when menu B comes in play). So I'll have a way to restore ability damage (in conjunction with Empathic transfer) until I get Psionic Restoration at 11. If this is a good idea, do you think that EK (Astral Construct) is still a good feat for level 3? Or should I take a different level 1 power to eventually put in a dorje at level 6 before reformation? EDIT2: I think it's better to have 2 more pp at 1st level over 4 more hp (up to +8 hp at level 5) because 2 pp spent in vigor are actually more than what I'll gain with Psionic body. So, maybe it's better to take Psionic talent instead of Psionic body. EDIT: I'm thinking about placing points in healing, for background (I'm the group healer, and healing is also a class skill for an egoist)... lvl1: psicraft 1, knowledge (all 11) 1, concentration 2, autohypnosis 3, healing 3 lvl3: psicraft 3, knowledge (psionics) 3, knowledge (other 10) 1, concentration 4, autohypnosis 5, healing 5 lvl7: psicraft 9, knowledge (psionics) 8, knowledge (other 10) 1, concentration 9, autohypnosis 9, healing 9 lvl12: psicraft 15, knowledge (psionics) 15, knowledge (other 10) 1, concentration 15, autohypnosis 15, healing 15 By level 13 I will start putting points in other knowledge fields. What do you think?