fusion, psicrystals, and powers [Archive] - Wizards Community

fusion, psicrystals, and powers [Archive] - Wizards Community

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EonEdge
10-16-07, 10:12 PM What if two psions under the effects of share pain with thier respective psicrystal fuse? would damage then be divided by 3? what if this fused being then brings a third psion into the party under the same conditions, divided by four?

Further more if two fused psions used a personal power would the psion be able to share it with both psicrystals?

example two psions fused and then cast vigor, could the fused psion share it with both his psicrystals?

I'm trying to build a fusion based thrallherd with two psions(I know there are better builds but this is the concept i want) and i'm just tryin to figure out how to optimize it
vorpo
10-17-07, 12:22 AM What if two psions under the effects of share pain with thier respective psicrystal fuse? would damage then be divided by 3? what if this fused being then brings a third psion into the party under the same conditions, divided by four?

Fused psion, regardless how many, is viewed as one entity. So, 2 psions fused and one of the psion has share pain w/ psicrystal (I am not even sure if this is legal), when the fused being takes damage, the damage is shared b/w the crystal and the fused.

Further more if two fused psions used a personal power would the psion be able to share it with both psicrystals?

I'd say yes. Both crystals belong to the newly fused being (psion).

I'm trying to build a fusion based thrallherd with two psions(I know there are better builds but this is the concept i want) and i'm just tryin to figure out how to optimize it

I don't think it's ever a good idea to make a build focusing on 2 ppl fusing together. So many variables to deal with.
CrimsonDeath
10-17-07, 02:22 AM What if two psions under the effects of share pain with thier respective psicrystal fuse?
This is actually two questions.

The first is, "What happens when two characters who both have psicrystals are both subject to the Fusion power?"

According to Fusion: "Likewise, all feats, racial abilities, and class features are pooled (if both creatures have the same ability, the fused being gains it only once)."

So, the fused being only has the Psicrystal Affinity feat once, and if the two component creatures had different personality types for their psicrystals, the manifester of Fusion probably gets to decide which personality type the remaining psicrystal has. The other psicrystal evaporates into pure thought, or becomes an inert stone, or fuses with the dominant psicrystal, or in some other way ceases to matter. A generous DM may rule that the remaining psicrystal is an amalgamation of the personality types of the two original psicrystals.

The second question is, "What happens if a character manifests Share Pain on two different creatures, with both effects active at the same time?" (Now, since the second psicrystal disappears or whatever, this question isn't relevant to the specific example you presented, but it should be addressed anyway.)

Share pain does two things:

1) You take half damage from all attacks that deal hit point damage to you.

2) The subject takes the remainder.

Note that multiple identical effects do not stack, so no matter how many times you manifest Share Pain, each power only checks the amount of hit point damage that would be dealt by the original attack, divides that damage by half, and deducts that amount of damage from your hit points. Then, each and every Share Pain that you've manifested takes the other half of the damage and applies that to its individual target.

For example, suppose you manifest Share Pain once on Adam, once on Brian, and once on Carl. Then Otto takes a swing at you with a greataxe and does 16 damage. All three Share Pain effects take a look at the 16 damage, divide that by 2, and get 8, so you take 8 damage. Then, the first Share Pain sends the other 8 damage to Adam, the second sends the other 8 damage to Brian, and the third sends the other 8 damage to Carl.

Now, a slightly less generous interpretation is that you also take half the damage once for each Share Pain that you manifest, since damage from multiple effects generally does stack (for example, if several people cast Power Word: Pain on you all at the same time). Also, the DM is free to rule that each subsequent manifestation of the power splits the damage again.
EonEdge
10-17-07, 07:38 AM This is actually two questions.

According to Fusion: "Likewise, all feats, racial abilities, and class features are pooled (if both creatures have the same ability, the fused being gains it only once)."

So, the fused being only has the Psicrystal Affinity feat once, and if the two component creatures had different personality types for their psicrystals, the manifester of Fusion probably gets to decide which personality type the remaining psicrystal has. The other psicrystal evaporates into pure thought, or becomes an inert stone, or fuses with the dominant psicrystal, or in some other way ceases to matter. A generous DM may rule that the remaining psicrystal is an amalgamation of the personality types of the two original psicrystals.

The second question is, "What happens if a character manifests Share Pain on two different creatures, with both effects active at the same time?" (Now, since the second psicrystal disappears or whatever, this question isn't relevant to the specific example you presented, but it should be addressed anyway.)

Share pain does two things:

1) You take half damage from all attacks that deal hit point damage to you.

2) The subject takes the remainder.

Note that multiple identical effects do not stack, so no matter how many times you manifest Share Pain, each power only checks the amount of hit point damage that would be dealt by the original attack, divides that damage by half, and deducts that amount of damage from your hit points. Then, each and every Share Pain that you've manifested takes the other half of the damage and applies that to its individual target.

For example, suppose you manifest Share Pain once on Adam, once on Brian, and once on Carl. Then Otto takes a swing at you with a greataxe and does 16 damage. All three Share Pain effects take a look at the 16 damage, divide that by 2, and get 8, so you take 8 damage. Then, the first Share Pain sends the other 8 damage to Adam, the second sends the other 8 damage to Brian, and the third sends the other 8 damage to Carl.

Now, a slightly less generous interpretation is that you also take half the damage once for each Share Pain that you manifest, since damage from multiple effects generally does stack (for example, if several people cast Power Word: Pain on you all at the same time). Also, the DM is free to rule that each subsequent manifestation of the power splits the damage again.

okay that all makes sense. i'm guessing that the fused psion's psicrystal gains all the effects of the new psion, 1/2 the fused psions hp(max not current), the new psions saves and skills.
thanks

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
EonEdge 10-16-07, 10:12 PM	What if two psions under the effects of share pain with thier respective psicrystal fuse? would damage then be divided by 3? what if this fused being then brings a third psion into the party under the same conditions, divided by four? Further more if two fused psions used a personal power would the psion be able to share it with both psicrystals? example two psions fused and then cast vigor, could the fused psion share it with both his psicrystals? I'm trying to build a fusion based thrallherd with two psions(I know there are better builds but this is the concept i want) and i'm just tryin to figure out how to optimize it
vorpo 10-17-07, 12:22 AM	What if two psions under the effects of share pain with thier respective psicrystal fuse? would damage then be divided by 3? what if this fused being then brings a third psion into the party under the same conditions, divided by four? Fused psion, regardless how many, is viewed as one entity. So, 2 psions fused and one of the psion has share pain w/ psicrystal (I am not even sure if this is legal), when the fused being takes damage, the damage is shared b/w the crystal and the fused. Further more if two fused psions used a personal power would the psion be able to share it with both psicrystals? I'd say yes. Both crystals belong to the newly fused being (psion). I'm trying to build a fusion based thrallherd with two psions(I know there are better builds but this is the concept i want) and i'm just tryin to figure out how to optimize it I don't think it's ever a good idea to make a build focusing on 2 ppl fusing together. So many variables to deal with.
CrimsonDeath 10-17-07, 02:22 AM	What if two psions under the effects of share pain with thier respective psicrystal fuse? This is actually two questions. The first is, "What happens when two characters who both have psicrystals are both subject to the Fusion power?" According to Fusion: "Likewise, all feats, racial abilities, and class features are pooled (if both creatures have the same ability, the fused being gains it only once)." So, the fused being only has the Psicrystal Affinity feat once, and if the two component creatures had different personality types for their psicrystals, the manifester of Fusion probably gets to decide which personality type the remaining psicrystal has. The other psicrystal evaporates into pure thought, or becomes an inert stone, or fuses with the dominant psicrystal, or in some other way ceases to matter. A generous DM may rule that the remaining psicrystal is an amalgamation of the personality types of the two original psicrystals. The second question is, "What happens if a character manifests Share Pain on two different creatures, with both effects active at the same time?" (Now, since the second psicrystal disappears or whatever, this question isn't relevant to the specific example you presented, but it should be addressed anyway.) Share pain does two things: 1) You take half damage from all attacks that deal hit point damage to you. 2) The subject takes the remainder. Note that multiple identical effects do not stack, so no matter how many times you manifest Share Pain, each power only checks the amount of hit point damage that would be dealt by the original attack, divides that damage by half, and deducts that amount of damage from your hit points. Then, each and every Share Pain that you've manifested takes the other half of the damage and applies that to its individual target. For example, suppose you manifest Share Pain once on Adam, once on Brian, and once on Carl. Then Otto takes a swing at you with a greataxe and does 16 damage. All three Share Pain effects take a look at the 16 damage, divide that by 2, and get 8, so you take 8 damage. Then, the first Share Pain sends the other 8 damage to Adam, the second sends the other 8 damage to Brian, and the third sends the other 8 damage to Carl. Now, a slightly less generous interpretation is that you also take half the damage once for each Share Pain that you manifest, since damage from multiple effects generally does stack (for example, if several people cast Power Word: Pain on you all at the same time). Also, the DM is free to rule that each subsequent manifestation of the power splits the damage again.
EonEdge 10-17-07, 07:38 AM	This is actually two questions. According to Fusion: "Likewise, all feats, racial abilities, and class features are pooled (if both creatures have the same ability, the fused being gains it only once)." So, the fused being only has the Psicrystal Affinity feat once, and if the two component creatures had different personality types for their psicrystals, the manifester of Fusion probably gets to decide which personality type the remaining psicrystal has. The other psicrystal evaporates into pure thought, or becomes an inert stone, or fuses with the dominant psicrystal, or in some other way ceases to matter. A generous DM may rule that the remaining psicrystal is an amalgamation of the personality types of the two original psicrystals. The second question is, "What happens if a character manifests Share Pain on two different creatures, with both effects active at the same time?" (Now, since the second psicrystal disappears or whatever, this question isn't relevant to the specific example you presented, but it should be addressed anyway.) Share pain does two things: 1) You take half damage from all attacks that deal hit point damage to you. 2) The subject takes the remainder. Note that multiple identical effects do not stack, so no matter how many times you manifest Share Pain, each power only checks the amount of hit point damage that would be dealt by the original attack, divides that damage by half, and deducts that amount of damage from your hit points. Then, each and every Share Pain that you've manifested takes the other half of the damage and applies that to its individual target. For example, suppose you manifest Share Pain once on Adam, once on Brian, and once on Carl. Then Otto takes a swing at you with a greataxe and does 16 damage. All three Share Pain effects take a look at the 16 damage, divide that by 2, and get 8, so you take 8 damage. Then, the first Share Pain sends the other 8 damage to Adam, the second sends the other 8 damage to Brian, and the third sends the other 8 damage to Carl. Now, a slightly less generous interpretation is that you also take half the damage once for each Share Pain that you manifest, since damage from multiple effects generally does stack (for example, if several people cast Power Word: Pain on you all at the same time). Also, the DM is free to rule that each subsequent manifestation of the power splits the damage again. okay that all makes sense. i'm guessing that the fused psion's psicrystal gains all the effects of the new psion, 1/2 the fused psions hp(max not current), the new psions saves and skills. thanks