How can l make the foison power permenant [Archive] - Wizards Community

How can l make the foison power permenant [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Hot_Line_To_Hell
07-21-07, 08:54 AM Is there any way to make this a perment effect at all ??

thanx for any help
obrysii
07-21-07, 09:31 AM What is the "foison" power?
Fafnir
07-21-07, 11:45 AM Even assuming it was meant to be poison, which one? There are several.
The Livewire
07-21-07, 12:02 PM maybe he meant fusion?
Deekin
07-21-07, 12:43 PM maybe he meant fusion?

or Fission.
Hot_Line_To_Hell
07-21-07, 01:31 PM sorry l did mean fusion, l really do need to check the spelling before l post,

so is there any way to make it perm then ???
Deekin
07-21-07, 01:35 PM Be Epic.

Persistant Power :HC:, Require +12 Power Point to manifest, and lasts as long as you have psionic focus.
Hot_Line_To_Hell
07-21-07, 01:37 PM but could you use it more then once ???
and on none willing PCs ??

thanks for any help
Deekin
07-21-07, 02:38 PM No and No.
Tempest Stormwind
07-21-07, 02:41 PM You can answer your questions by looking at the rules. Fusion targets a willing creature, for instance.

The closest effect to what you're likely going for is Assimilate.
Xaer
07-21-07, 02:46 PM What book is persistant power in?
HighPriestMikhal
07-21-07, 02:46 PM Assimilate fuses the target with the manifester mind and body; no traces of the target except the mind (if I remember right. I'm AFB).

What exactly are you trying to achieve? Adding parts? Fusing creatures?
Deekin
07-21-07, 03:02 PM What book is persistant power in?

Hyperconsius
Tempest Stormwind
07-21-07, 03:38 PM What book is persistant power in?

Hyperconscious. It requires Extend Power, adds +12 to the power point cost, and DOES NOT require you to expend your focus (as you're never using it in combat). However, if you LOSE your focus, for any means, the persistent power(s) fades.

There's another feat in that book, Permanent Focus (which requires Narrow Mind) that can be used to set Persistent Power to think you're always focused. Four feats and a -12 CL hit sounds about right for always-on powers; that's the only version of Persistent I'd ever allow.
BrokenAbility
07-22-07, 09:32 AM psionics does it again, even balancing persistant effects!
CrimsonDeath
07-22-07, 06:34 PM Hmm... If you also had Overchannel on an Ardent with a Dominant Ideal, wouldn't that knock the cost down to +10 PP and bump your ML by 3? By level 20, you'd be able to Persist powers of up to level 7... Sure, it costs most of your feats, but it looks like it would let you have most of your buffs up constantly. The Wilder would also be able to Persist powers up to level 7 if Wild Surge can work with metapsionics and not just augmentation (which would probably work better with the Educated variant).
Khan the Destroyer
07-22-07, 07:39 PM Is there any way to make this a perment effect at all ??
Potarra earings.
Lycanthromancer
07-25-07, 01:56 AM so is there any way to make it perm then ???Open up a psionic hair salon?
AntiDjinn
07-25-07, 04:15 AM Is touch considered fixed range? Or is fixed range only a set distance such as 5 feet? Touch can vary with caster reach, but is the same number for any given caster. The Hyperconscious Persistent Power feat can only be applied to a power with a range of personal or a fixed range. Fusion, although it doesn't state it, has two ranges; it is both personal and touch because it targets two individuals.

From a balance standpoint, it is reasonable for a character of ML 27+, who has allocated multiple feats to be able to do this. Make that two characters --presumably, the partner you fuse with is of comparable levels and capability, or you wouldn't bother. 27 power points, 50 XP, need to maintain focus, and you actually wind up getting fewer actions than the two of you would have individually. I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Tempest Stormwind
07-25-07, 10:41 AM Touch is not considered a fixed range for persistent.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Hot_Line_To_Hell 07-21-07, 08:54 AM	Is there any way to make this a perment effect at all ?? thanx for any help
obrysii 07-21-07, 09:31 AM	What is the "foison" power?
Fafnir 07-21-07, 11:45 AM	Even assuming it was meant to be poison, which one? There are several.
The Livewire 07-21-07, 12:02 PM	maybe he meant fusion?
Deekin 07-21-07, 12:43 PM	maybe he meant fusion? or Fission.
Hot_Line_To_Hell 07-21-07, 01:31 PM	sorry l did mean fusion, l really do need to check the spelling before l post, so is there any way to make it perm then ???
Deekin 07-21-07, 01:35 PM	Be Epic. Persistant Power :HC:, Require +12 Power Point to manifest, and lasts as long as you have psionic focus.
Hot_Line_To_Hell 07-21-07, 01:37 PM	but could you use it more then once ??? and on none willing PCs ?? thanks for any help
Deekin 07-21-07, 02:38 PM	No and No.
Tempest Stormwind 07-21-07, 02:41 PM	You can answer your questions by looking at the rules. Fusion targets a willing creature, for instance. The closest effect to what you're likely going for is Assimilate.
Xaer 07-21-07, 02:46 PM	What book is persistant power in?
HighPriestMikhal 07-21-07, 02:46 PM	Assimilate fuses the target with the manifester mind and body; no traces of the target except the mind (if I remember right. I'm AFB). What exactly are you trying to achieve? Adding parts? Fusing creatures?
Deekin 07-21-07, 03:02 PM	What book is persistant power in? Hyperconsius
Tempest Stormwind 07-21-07, 03:38 PM	What book is persistant power in? Hyperconscious. It requires Extend Power, adds +12 to the power point cost, and DOES NOT require you to expend your focus (as you're never using it in combat). However, if you LOSE your focus, for any means, the persistent power(s) fades. There's another feat in that book, Permanent Focus (which requires Narrow Mind) that can be used to set Persistent Power to think you're always focused. Four feats and a -12 CL hit sounds about right for always-on powers; that's the only version of Persistent I'd ever allow.
BrokenAbility 07-22-07, 09:32 AM	psionics does it again, even balancing persistant effects!
CrimsonDeath 07-22-07, 06:34 PM	Hmm... If you also had Overchannel on an Ardent with a Dominant Ideal, wouldn't that knock the cost down to +10 PP and bump your ML by 3? By level 20, you'd be able to Persist powers of up to level 7... Sure, it costs most of your feats, but it looks like it would let you have most of your buffs up constantly. The Wilder would also be able to Persist powers up to level 7 if Wild Surge can work with metapsionics and not just augmentation (which would probably work better with the Educated variant).
Khan the Destroyer 07-22-07, 07:39 PM	Is there any way to make this a perment effect at all ?? Potarra earings.
Lycanthromancer 07-25-07, 01:56 AM	so is there any way to make it perm then ???Open up a psionic hair salon?
AntiDjinn 07-25-07, 04:15 AM	Is touch considered fixed range? Or is fixed range only a set distance such as 5 feet? Touch can vary with caster reach, but is the same number for any given caster. The Hyperconscious Persistent Power feat can only be applied to a power with a range of personal or a fixed range. Fusion, although it doesn't state it, has two ranges; it is both personal and touch because it targets two individuals. From a balance standpoint, it is reasonable for a character of ML 27+, who has allocated multiple feats to be able to do this. Make that two characters --presumably, the partner you fuse with is of comparable levels and capability, or you wouldn't bother. 27 power points, 50 XP, need to maintain focus, and you actually wind up getting fewer actions than the two of you would have individually. I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Tempest Stormwind 07-25-07, 10:41 AM	Touch is not considered a fixed range for persistent.