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Andramadus
07-29-07, 10:37 AM How much would this power stone cost?

1st-Level Powers
Dimension Slip, Lesser Psionic Weapon, Lesser Psionic Armor, Biocurrent, Cryo Blast, Firefall, Lesser Rejuvenation, Control Flames, Create Sound, Crystal Shard, Dissipating Touch, Energy Ray, Energy Arc, Entangling Ectoplasm, Force Screen, Hammer, Matter Agitation, Precognition, Defensive, Precognition, Offensive, Prescience, Offensive, Float, Vigor, Control Object, Thicken Skin, Burst, Precognition, Astral Construct, Minor Creation, Psionic, Charm, Mindlink, Synchronicity, Biofeedback, Stomp

2nd-Level
Bend Space, Dimension Slip Flash, Dimension Slip Quick, Forced Dimension Slip, Targeted Mind, Improved Firefall, Lesser Energy Spheres, Burning Ray, Improved Firefall, Lesser Energy Spheres, Mental Disruption, Clairvoyant Sense, Brain Lock, Animal Affinity, levatate, object reading, Concussion Blast, Elemental Steward, Larval flayers, Psychic Scimatar, Ego Whip, Feat Leach, Stygian Ray, Energy Adaptation, Energy Push, Energy Stun, Control Air, Energy Missile, Swarm of crystals, Animal Affinity, Body Purification, Dissolving Weapon, Strength of My Enemy,

3rd-Level Powers
Dimensional Rift, Psionic Armor, Psionic Weapon, Exploding Stone, Energy Bolt, Energy Burst, Energy Retort, Energy Wall, Telekinetic Force, Telekinetic Thrust, Dispel Psionics, Body Purification, Energy Lance, Glyph of warding, Time hop, Ectoplasmic Form, Vampiric Blade, Ectoplasmic form, Hustle, Telekinetic Boomerang, Energy Cone, Concealing Amorpha greater, Ectoplasmic Cocoon, Crisis of breath, Empathic transfer, False Sensory input., Claws of the Vampire, Dimention slide,

4th-Level Powers
Death Urge, Dimension Door, Psionic, Intellect Fortress, Power Leech, Telekinetic Maneuver, Wall of Ectoplasm, Psychic Reformation, Freedom of Movement, Psionic, Empathic Feedback, Divination, Psionic,
Psychic Vampire, Metamorphosis, Energy Ball, Inertial Barrier, Control Body, Dismissal, Psionic, Anchored Navigation, Remote Viewing, Fabricate, Psionic, Quintessence, Dominate, Mindlink Thieving, Schism, Immovability, Truevenom Weapon, Truevenom, Weapon of Energy, metamorphisis, Psychic Vampire, Controll body, Energy ball, Internal Barrier, Burrowing Bonds, Fabricate, Quintessence, Dominate, Mindlink Thieving, Schism, Dimention Anchor, dismisal, Energy Flash, Energy adaptation, Ectoplasmic Swarm, Death urge, Planar Apotheosis, Psychokinetic Weapon, Stygian Disruption,

5th-Level Powers
Catapsi, Ectoplasmic Shambler, Major Creation, Psionic, Leech Field, Psychic Crush, Power Resistance, Tower of Iron Will, True Seeing, Revivify, Psychofeedback, Restore Extrimity, Energy current, Energy nullification field, Fiery Discorpation, Hail of crystals, Anticipatory Strike, Celestrial Conduit, Crainal Deluge, Etherial Agent, Incarnate, Plane shift, Power resistance, Stomp Greater, Telekinetic buffer,

Arcane Spells converted into psionic powers:

0-Level Arcane Spells converted into powers
Resistance, Acid Splash, Detect Magic, Read Magic, Daze, Dancing Lights, Flare, Light,Ghost Sound, Mage Hand, Message, Open/Close, Prestidigitation

1st-Level Arcane Spells converted into powers
Alarm, Endure Elements, Hold Portal, Protection from Chaos/Evil/Good/Law, Shield, Grease, Mage Armor, Mount, Summon Monster I, Unseen Servant, Comprehend Languages, Identify, True Strike, Hypnotism, Charm Person, Magic Missile, Shocking Grasp, Ventriloquism, Ray of Enfeeblement, Enlarge Person, Fist of stone, Expeditious Retreat, Magic Weapon, Divine Inspiration, Cure Light Wounds, Remove Fear.

2nd-Level Arcane Spells converted into powers
Whispering Wind, Spider Climb, Bull’s Strength, Alter Self, Ghoul Touch, Invisibility, See Invisibility, Locate Object, Detect Thoughts, Summon Swarm, Summon Monster II, Ayailla's Radiant Burst, Luminous Armor, Whirling Blade, Fireburst, burning blood, Mirror Image, Cure Moderate Wounds.

3rd-Level Arcane Spells converted into powers
Soul Charge, Haste, Lightning bolt, Fly, Summon Monster III, Fireball, Displacement, Gaseous Form, Dispel Magic, Explosive Runes, Magic Circle against Chaos/Evil/Good/Law, Protection from Energy, Phantom Steed, Sleet Storm, Summon Monster III, Clairaudience/Clairvoyance, Hold Person, Heroism, Rage, Daylight, Fireball, Lightning Bolt, Tiny Hut, Displacement, Invisibility Sphere, Major Image, Flame Arrow, Elation, Distiled Joy Stars of Arvandor, Stony Grasp, Earth bolt, Magnatism, Steam breath, Stinking Cloud, Commune with lesser spirits.
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4th-Level Arcane Spells converted into powers
Globe of Invulnerability, Lesser, Remove Curse, Stoneskin, Black Tentacles, Dimension Door, Summon Monster IV, Arcane Eye, Locate Creature, Geas Lesser, Fire Shield, Ice Storm, Resilient Sphere, Wall of Fire
Wall of Ice, Illusory Wall, Hallucinatory Terrain, Invisibility Greater, Animate Dead, Enlarge Person, Mass, Celestrial Brillance, Dancing web, Radiant Shield, Affliction, Perfect summonsz z
Bacris
07-29-07, 11:38 AM Um, why?
Tempest Stormwind
07-29-07, 12:33 PM How much would this power stone cost?

No.

Power Number
Stone of
Type Powers
Minor 1d3 powers
Medium 1d4 powers
Major 1d6 powersNote how major power stones only have up to 6 powers. Methinks you've got more than 6 there.
Millenia
07-29-07, 12:54 PM Honestly? I think you're better off making that into a Psicrown. Much more efficient, as you'll be able to use those powers more than once.
Eikre
07-29-07, 01:11 PM No.

Note how major power stones only have up to 6 powers. Methinks you've got more than 6 there.

But, that's just for the treasure tables. Nothing says you can't have, like, a really really big stone with lots of encoding. Perfectly logical. Just like having a thirty-foot long scroll.

Okay, so it's not perfectly logical. But you could do it!
Tempest Stormwind
07-29-07, 01:13 PM But, that's just for the treasure tables. Nothing says you can't have, like, a really really big stone with lots of encoding. Perfectly logical. Just like having a thirty-foot long scroll.

Okay, so it's not perfectly logical. But you could do it!

And the rules don't say that you can't have a psicrystal that can shoot frickin' laser beams from its metaphysical 'eyes', while being a zombie ninja pirate jedi that rides a robot dinosaur that transforms into a motorcycle. Doesn't mean you *can*.
Moosh Nailo
07-29-07, 01:45 PM Tempest, you're embarassing yourself.
And Eikre, I think I agree with you that the table that lists number of powers is for random treasure generation, although that could be argued either way. As for price, I believe each power is counted at it's normal cost. The only benefit of having them all encoded on one stone is saving space.
Eikre
07-29-07, 01:52 PM Oh, that's a terrible argument and you know it. The rules don't say that you can stop a person from moving by killing them, either. You can remove their soul from their body, yes, but nothing here says that inflicting death will stop the fight.

I speculate that powerstones are encoded,at least in part, physically, much like a scroll is printed physically, and that by creating one with more mass to sustain more code or writing, you can get more powers into it. This would be extraordinarily useless in a combat situation, as it would take a spot of luck or some impressive searching skills to procure the section on the power/spell you'd like to use, and, for convenience, nobody really bothers.

I also move that that psicrystal could fire lasers from his eyes and so on and so forth, because it's actually the Astral Seed of my thrall, a necropolitan cerebremancer, with Ocular Spell, a level in Ninja and Dread Pirate, and a proclivity to call his psionics "the force." My other thrall is a warforged with Metamorphisis who tends towards the shapes of large lizards and fast transportation, who has standing orders to carry his peer.

QED. Back to you, Mr. Stormwind.
Endarrion
07-29-07, 01:56 PM I think the point isn't "what would it cost," but rather, "why?"

With that power stone you are basically carrying a psionic character around in your back pocket (or large sack or whatever).

It's way too unbalancing to even *consider* allowing (for me anyway).
Moosh Nailo
07-29-07, 02:08 PM It's way too unbalancing to even *consider* allowing (for me anyway).

I don't see how it is unbalancing. If he is willing to pay for it, then why not? Its the same as letting him buy smaller, reasonably sized stones with only a couple powers from the list encoded, but getting enough of them that he eventually had the entire list. The only difference is that this way one thief somewhere is going to get real lucky.
unusualsuspect
07-29-07, 05:00 PM And the rules don't say that you can't have a psicrystal that can shoot frickin' laser beams from its metaphysical 'eyes', while being a zombie ninja pirate jedi that rides a robot dinosaur that transforms into a motorcycle. Doesn't mean you *can*.

Didn't they have almost exactly that build somewhere in the Optimization Boards?
Tempest Stormwind
07-29-07, 05:21 PM Didn't they have almost exactly that build somewhere in the Optimization Boards?

Yes, but it wasn't a psicrystal. (I know, I helped create it! (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=376014))

The point was, making statements based on "the rules don't say I can't!" is reaching. (I'm also oddly certain that I've read somewhere that a power stone has a maximum number of powers that can be stored in it, but I can't find the text I recall reading. The existence of that sentence, combined with that table, would be all the proof we'd need.)
CrimsonDeath
07-29-07, 06:14 PM Tempest, you're embarassing yourself.
I thought he was embarassing Eikre, but maybe that's just me.
Tempest Stormwind
07-29-07, 06:38 PM I thought he was embarassing Eikre, but maybe that's just me.

No, I was just trying to be silly. There's no malice there. Hard to enunciate over the internet, though.

Besides, the best kind of embarassment is that which the target understands but the surrounding people think nothing about, since it doesn't lower the target's standing in anyone's perception but his own (and thus doesn't last as long in others' memories, but teaches the target the intended lesson anyway). Were I to do that to Eikre, I'd have cited Ian Jones-Quartey, gambling that that's where the username came from.
MnemonicSV
07-30-07, 03:20 AM I know how strange this is about to sound, and I can't believe I'm about to actually say it, but I wouldn't allow a power stone to hold so many powers because the brainburn effect actually becomes broken!

I mean seriously, that first power stone is 34d6 of untyped damage when a brainburn is triggered! Yikes! Just payoff a 1st level rogue patsy to stand beside the king while he attempts (and fails) a UPD check*. Best part of all, brainburn doesn't flush the powers IIRC!

* Okay, that's an unreasonable example. Even so, you get the point.
Eikre
07-30-07, 04:23 AM Were I to do that to Eikre, I'd have cited Ian Jones-Quartey, gambling that that's where the username came from.

No, ******* you! It's my name! Mine! I've used it longer than him! Hahaha! S'been on the net for more than a decade! It is apparently a surname of sweetish origin!

*Twitch*

EDIT: Re: Brainburn: Oh, hey. See? An actual and creditable reason why this wouldn't stand!
Millenia
07-30-07, 04:39 AM To actually help with the Uber Power Stone Artifact of Doom, I point you to the creating Power Stones (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/items/creatingPsionicItems.htm#creatingPowerSt ones) rules. Figure out the price for a power of each level up to 5, then multiple each respective one with the number of powers of that level.
DrStalker
07-30-07, 08:39 AM How much would this power stone cost?

One gold more than you have.

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Andramadus 07-29-07, 10:37 AM	How much would this power stone cost? 1st-Level Powers Dimension Slip, Lesser Psionic Weapon, Lesser Psionic Armor, Biocurrent, Cryo Blast, Firefall, Lesser Rejuvenation, Control Flames, Create Sound, Crystal Shard, Dissipating Touch, Energy Ray, Energy Arc, Entangling Ectoplasm, Force Screen, Hammer, Matter Agitation, Precognition, Defensive, Precognition, Offensive, Prescience, Offensive, Float, Vigor, Control Object, Thicken Skin, Burst, Precognition, Astral Construct, Minor Creation, Psionic, Charm, Mindlink, Synchronicity, Biofeedback, Stomp 2nd-Level Bend Space, Dimension Slip Flash, Dimension Slip Quick, Forced Dimension Slip, Targeted Mind, Improved Firefall, Lesser Energy Spheres, Burning Ray, Improved Firefall, Lesser Energy Spheres, Mental Disruption, Clairvoyant Sense, Brain Lock, Animal Affinity, levatate, object reading, Concussion Blast, Elemental Steward, Larval flayers, Psychic Scimatar, Ego Whip, Feat Leach, Stygian Ray, Energy Adaptation, Energy Push, Energy Stun, Control Air, Energy Missile, Swarm of crystals, Animal Affinity, Body Purification, Dissolving Weapon, Strength of My Enemy, 3rd-Level Powers Dimensional Rift, Psionic Armor, Psionic Weapon, Exploding Stone, Energy Bolt, Energy Burst, Energy Retort, Energy Wall, Telekinetic Force, Telekinetic Thrust, Dispel Psionics, Body Purification, Energy Lance, Glyph of warding, Time hop, Ectoplasmic Form, Vampiric Blade, Ectoplasmic form, Hustle, Telekinetic Boomerang, Energy Cone, Concealing Amorpha greater, Ectoplasmic Cocoon, Crisis of breath, Empathic transfer, False Sensory input., Claws of the Vampire, Dimention slide, 4th-Level Powers Death Urge, Dimension Door, Psionic, Intellect Fortress, Power Leech, Telekinetic Maneuver, Wall of Ectoplasm, Psychic Reformation, Freedom of Movement, Psionic, Empathic Feedback, Divination, Psionic, Psychic Vampire, Metamorphosis, Energy Ball, Inertial Barrier, Control Body, Dismissal, Psionic, Anchored Navigation, Remote Viewing, Fabricate, Psionic, Quintessence, Dominate, Mindlink Thieving, Schism, Immovability, Truevenom Weapon, Truevenom, Weapon of Energy, metamorphisis, Psychic Vampire, Controll body, Energy ball, Internal Barrier, Burrowing Bonds, Fabricate, Quintessence, Dominate, Mindlink Thieving, Schism, Dimention Anchor, dismisal, Energy Flash, Energy adaptation, Ectoplasmic Swarm, Death urge, Planar Apotheosis, Psychokinetic Weapon, Stygian Disruption, 5th-Level Powers Catapsi, Ectoplasmic Shambler, Major Creation, Psionic, Leech Field, Psychic Crush, Power Resistance, Tower of Iron Will, True Seeing, Revivify, Psychofeedback, Restore Extrimity, Energy current, Energy nullification field, Fiery Discorpation, Hail of crystals, Anticipatory Strike, Celestrial Conduit, Crainal Deluge, Etherial Agent, Incarnate, Plane shift, Power resistance, Stomp Greater, Telekinetic buffer, Arcane Spells converted into psionic powers: 0-Level Arcane Spells converted into powers Resistance, Acid Splash, Detect Magic, Read Magic, Daze, Dancing Lights, Flare, Light,Ghost Sound, Mage Hand, Message, Open/Close, Prestidigitation 1st-Level Arcane Spells converted into powers Alarm, Endure Elements, Hold Portal, Protection from Chaos/Evil/Good/Law, Shield, Grease, Mage Armor, Mount, Summon Monster I, Unseen Servant, Comprehend Languages, Identify, True Strike, Hypnotism, Charm Person, Magic Missile, Shocking Grasp, Ventriloquism, Ray of Enfeeblement, Enlarge Person, Fist of stone, Expeditious Retreat, Magic Weapon, Divine Inspiration, Cure Light Wounds, Remove Fear. 2nd-Level Arcane Spells converted into powers Whispering Wind, Spider Climb, Bull’s Strength, Alter Self, Ghoul Touch, Invisibility, See Invisibility, Locate Object, Detect Thoughts, Summon Swarm, Summon Monster II, Ayailla's Radiant Burst, Luminous Armor, Whirling Blade, Fireburst, burning blood, Mirror Image, Cure Moderate Wounds. 3rd-Level Arcane Spells converted into powers Soul Charge, Haste, Lightning bolt, Fly, Summon Monster III, Fireball, Displacement, Gaseous Form, Dispel Magic, Explosive Runes, Magic Circle against Chaos/Evil/Good/Law, Protection from Energy, Phantom Steed, Sleet Storm, Summon Monster III, Clairaudience/Clairvoyance, Hold Person, Heroism, Rage, Daylight, Fireball, Lightning Bolt, Tiny Hut, Displacement, Invisibility Sphere, Major Image, Flame Arrow, Elation, Distiled Joy Stars of Arvandor, Stony Grasp, Earth bolt, Magnatism, Steam breath, Stinking Cloud, Commune with lesser spirits. , 4th-Level Arcane Spells converted into powers Globe of Invulnerability, Lesser, Remove Curse, Stoneskin, Black Tentacles, Dimension Door, Summon Monster IV, Arcane Eye, Locate Creature, Geas Lesser, Fire Shield, Ice Storm, Resilient Sphere, Wall of Fire Wall of Ice, Illusory Wall, Hallucinatory Terrain, Invisibility Greater, Animate Dead, Enlarge Person, Mass, Celestrial Brillance, Dancing web, Radiant Shield, Affliction, Perfect summonsz z
Bacris 07-29-07, 11:38 AM	Um, why?
Tempest Stormwind 07-29-07, 12:33 PM	How much would this power stone cost? No. Power Number Stone of Type Powers Minor 1d3 powers Medium 1d4 powers Major 1d6 powersNote how major power stones only have up to 6 powers. Methinks you've got more than 6 there.
Millenia 07-29-07, 12:54 PM	Honestly? I think you're better off making that into a Psicrown. Much more efficient, as you'll be able to use those powers more than once.
Eikre 07-29-07, 01:11 PM	No. Note how major power stones only have up to 6 powers. Methinks you've got more than 6 there. But, that's just for the treasure tables. Nothing says you can't have, like, a really really big stone with lots of encoding. Perfectly logical. Just like having a thirty-foot long scroll. Okay, so it's not perfectly logical. But you could do it!
Tempest Stormwind 07-29-07, 01:13 PM	But, that's just for the treasure tables. Nothing says you can't have, like, a really really big stone with lots of encoding. Perfectly logical. Just like having a thirty-foot long scroll. Okay, so it's not perfectly logical. But you could do it! And the rules don't say that you can't have a psicrystal that can shoot frickin' laser beams from its metaphysical 'eyes', while being a zombie ninja pirate jedi that rides a robot dinosaur that transforms into a motorcycle. Doesn't mean you can.
Moosh Nailo 07-29-07, 01:45 PM	Tempest, you're embarassing yourself. And Eikre, I think I agree with you that the table that lists number of powers is for random treasure generation, although that could be argued either way. As for price, I believe each power is counted at it's normal cost. The only benefit of having them all encoded on one stone is saving space.
Eikre 07-29-07, 01:52 PM	Oh, that's a terrible argument and you know it. The rules don't say that you can stop a person from moving by killing them, either. You can remove their soul from their body, yes, but nothing here says that inflicting death will stop the fight. I speculate that powerstones are encoded,at least in part, physically, much like a scroll is printed physically, and that by creating one with more mass to sustain more code or writing, you can get more powers into it. This would be extraordinarily useless in a combat situation, as it would take a spot of luck or some impressive searching skills to procure the section on the power/spell you'd like to use, and, for convenience, nobody really bothers. I also move that that psicrystal could fire lasers from his eyes and so on and so forth, because it's actually the Astral Seed of my thrall, a necropolitan cerebremancer, with Ocular Spell, a level in Ninja and Dread Pirate, and a proclivity to call his psionics "the force." My other thrall is a warforged with Metamorphisis who tends towards the shapes of large lizards and fast transportation, who has standing orders to carry his peer. QED. Back to you, Mr. Stormwind.
Endarrion 07-29-07, 01:56 PM	I think the point isn't "what would it cost," but rather, "why?" With that power stone you are basically carrying a psionic character around in your back pocket (or large sack or whatever). It's way too unbalancing to even consider allowing (for me anyway).
Moosh Nailo 07-29-07, 02:08 PM	It's way too unbalancing to even consider allowing (for me anyway). I don't see how it is unbalancing. If he is willing to pay for it, then why not? Its the same as letting him buy smaller, reasonably sized stones with only a couple powers from the list encoded, but getting enough of them that he eventually had the entire list. The only difference is that this way one thief somewhere is going to get real lucky.
unusualsuspect 07-29-07, 05:00 PM	And the rules don't say that you can't have a psicrystal that can shoot frickin' laser beams from its metaphysical 'eyes', while being a zombie ninja pirate jedi that rides a robot dinosaur that transforms into a motorcycle. Doesn't mean you can. Didn't they have almost exactly that build somewhere in the Optimization Boards?
Tempest Stormwind 07-29-07, 05:21 PM	Didn't they have almost exactly that build somewhere in the Optimization Boards? Yes, but it wasn't a psicrystal. (I know, I helped create it! (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=376014)) The point was, making statements based on "the rules don't say I can't!" is reaching. (I'm also oddly certain that I've read somewhere that a power stone has a maximum number of powers that can be stored in it, but I can't find the text I recall reading. The existence of that sentence, combined with that table, would be all the proof we'd need.)
CrimsonDeath 07-29-07, 06:14 PM	Tempest, you're embarassing yourself. I thought he was embarassing Eikre, but maybe that's just me.
Tempest Stormwind 07-29-07, 06:38 PM	I thought he was embarassing Eikre, but maybe that's just me. No, I was just trying to be silly. There's no malice there. Hard to enunciate over the internet, though. Besides, the best kind of embarassment is that which the target understands but the surrounding people think nothing about, since it doesn't lower the target's standing in anyone's perception but his own (and thus doesn't last as long in others' memories, but teaches the target the intended lesson anyway). Were I to do that to Eikre, I'd have cited Ian Jones-Quartey, gambling that that's where the username came from.
MnemonicSV 07-30-07, 03:20 AM	I know how strange this is about to sound, and I can't believe I'm about to actually say it, but I wouldn't allow a power stone to hold so many powers because the brainburn effect actually becomes broken! I mean seriously, that first power stone is 34d6 of untyped damage when a brainburn is triggered! Yikes! Just payoff a 1st level rogue patsy to stand beside the king while he attempts (and fails) a UPD check. Best part of all, brainburn doesn't flush the powers IIRC! Okay, that's an unreasonable example. Even so, you get the point.
Eikre 07-30-07, 04:23 AM	Were I to do that to Eikre, I'd have cited Ian Jones-Quartey, gambling that that's where the username came from. No, ******* you! It's my name! Mine! I've used it longer than him! Hahaha! S'been on the net for more than a decade! It is apparently a surname of sweetish origin! Twitch EDIT: Re: Brainburn: Oh, hey. See? An actual and creditable reason why this wouldn't stand!
Millenia 07-30-07, 04:39 AM	To actually help with the Uber Power Stone Artifact of Doom, I point you to the creating Power Stones (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/items/creatingPsionicItems.htm#creatingPowerSt ones) rules. Figure out the price for a power of each level up to 5, then multiple each respective one with the number of powers of that level.
DrStalker 07-30-07, 08:39 AM	How much would this power stone cost? One gold more than you have.