Instant Refocus.....All day long [Archive] - Wizards Community

Instant Refocus.....All day long [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Wizard Random
03-18-07, 10:28 PM Well i got yet another idea. It seemed so simple i wondered why i had not noticed it/heard of it before. Infact it may have come out many times if so please bear with me.

Due to the slightly embarasing way i was put down last time when trying to be able to regain my Psionic Focus as a swift or better, i retained my drive to make it work. During a phone conversation today with a freind I came upon this idea.

We all know that Unfettered Heroism from Races of Eberron gives a free action point once per round and allows you to spend more than one point at a time on well, everything that uses action points. Well Heroic Focus IF you have the feat Psionic Meditation allows you to recover a psionic focus as a swift action by spending a action point. Seee where i am going? The great fun in being able to persist UH allows for tons of action point abuse or even the feat Raging Luck, but i think this is just Perfect for a psionic player. Like that one feat in the ToB that allows you to regain the focus as a swift action 3/day but MUCH more flexible .

The problem remains on getting that spell on you everyday i figure of course Cerebramancer comes to mind almost instantly but is lacking due to lack of Other Psionic/Arcane Prc's, it doesn't fit the bill. LoP Dirty Trick number 1 : Behold! also works very well but then you have to be a beholder, and Psion 10/Ur-Priest 1/ Psi-Thurg 9 also works but then you don't get UH since it is a Bard5 /Wiz+Sroc 5.

Any Ideas?
PhaedrusXY
03-18-07, 10:37 PM Hmm... Raging Luck + Psionic Meditation + Heroic Focus. Sounds like a good combo. :D It burns your swift action every round though, which sucks. :(

Is there any way for your Psicrystal to gain the ability to refocus itself?
Wizard Random
03-18-07, 10:41 PM Hmm... Raging Luck + Psionic Meditation + Heroic Focus. Sounds like a good combo. :D It burns your swift action every round though, which sucks. :(

Is it really that bad...IS IT REALLY??:D

Honestly i like the idea of dropping my Focus twice a round for whatever i want, or making use of those nifty psionic feats and ending up at the end of the round with my focus agian.
Wizard Random
03-18-07, 10:43 PM Is there any way for your Psicrystal to gain the ability to refocus itself?

/shrug, me i always use my Crystal for NPC negotiations beyond that i have no clue. (unless its Epic which the 1 swift action a round becomes moot)
Jaid
03-18-07, 10:45 PM iirc, for those who don't want to go the barbarian route, there is also a draconic prophecy feat (or whatever they're called) that grants a free action point every time you enter a state of prophetic favor or whateveritis...
Wizard Random
03-18-07, 10:49 PM Well what if the Psicrystal takes Hidden power>>?? It would then have a PP reserve and as such be able to have a Psionic Focus. He would be treated as a 1st level Manafester since "Construct HD" are not a psionic class. Either way he gains the ability to have one.
Wizard Random
03-18-07, 10:55 PM iirc, for those who don't want to go the barbarian route, there is also a draconic prophecy feat (or whatever they're called) that grants a free action point every time you enter a state of prophetic favor or whateveritis...

No barbarian needed, just use Unfettered Heroism.
InkBlot
03-18-07, 11:54 PM Ragin Luck gives you the action point you need to refocus, but while you're raging you can't use the concentration skill! So that combo doesn't work.
Wizard Random
03-19-07, 01:21 AM Ragin Luck gives you the action point you need to refocus, but while you're raging you can't use the concentration skill! So that combo doesn't work.

Yes but Unfettered Heroism works
Tempest Stormwind
03-19-07, 01:21 AM There are better things to do during a persistent unfettered heroism than refocus. Take a look at the Wand Surge feat (Magic of Eberron) -- cast a spell from a wand or a staff by spending an action point instead of a charge. Voila, instant endless spells.

Consequences here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=565966).
Wizard Random
03-19-07, 01:38 AM There are better things to do during a persistent unfettered heroism than refocus. Take a look at the Wand Surge feat (Magic of Eberron) -- cast a spell from a wand or a staff by spending an action point instead of a charge. Voila, instant endless spells.

Consequences here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=565966).

Yea i know about all of that, its just that i remeber certain people saying I can't do it, and well now I can.
Thomar_of_Uointer
03-19-07, 02:05 AM Yep.

Hmm... What if you made a use-activated (expend focus while it's not active would be a good trigger) item that casts unfettered heroism on you? Better yet, just get an artificer to make one for you.
Wizard Random
03-19-07, 02:44 AM Yep.

Hmm... What if you made a use-activated (expend focus while it's not active would be a good trigger) item that casts unfettered heroism on you? Better yet, just get an artificer to make one for you.

I thought about that, gaining a item (prefably already persisted) but something like that can be taken from you in game in any number of ways. For that reason i like to be able to do things myself. As it stands however it seems that would be the only route if i wanna keep my ML
magenificent
03-19-07, 03:01 AM There's an easy way to get instant focus if you dont mind spending some PP. The Hustle power, Psiwar 2/Egoist 3. With the Psionic Meditation feat you can use that action to focus at swift speed for a minimal PP cost. Take the Expanded Knowledge feat for it if you're not an Egoist.

-Mage
Wizard Random
03-19-07, 03:07 AM There's an easy way to get instant focus if you dont mind spending some PP. The Hustle power, Psiwar 2/Egoist 3. With the Psionic Meditation feat you can use that action to focus at swift speed for a minimal PP cost. Take the Expanded Knowledge feat for it if you're not an Egoist.

-Mage

Thats true but it drains you like a battery. Also why Psiwar 2? Feats?
Thomar_of_Uointer
03-19-07, 12:01 PM Thats true but it drains you like a battery. Also why Psiwar 2? Feats?

I'm not sure either. Hustle is a level 2 psychic warrior power and a level 3 egoist power (which I think is what he's referring to, rather than a class combination). As a psion or wilder, you can use EK to take it as a psychic warrior power. If you're playing an egoist or psychic warrior already, you can just select it as a power.

At higher levels, the cost of this power become insignificant, a small fraction of your daily total.
awaken_D_M_golem
03-19-07, 05:00 PM There are better things to do during a persistent unfettered heroism than refocus. Take a look at the Wand Surge feat (Magic of Eberron) -- cast a spell from a wand or a staff by spending an action point instead of a charge. Voila, instant endless spells.

Consequences here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=565966).

Hey , yeah , I asked a version of this over there , and it never got answered , until I suceeded the Knowledge check.

Wand Surge works with Dorjes !
and Dorjes are 'better' than Wands.
not just m'cuz this is Psionics and all that.
DivineMind plus this , "fixes" DivineMind in low powered games , heh.
Does Wand Surge work with Quickened Wand/Dorjes ??
Wizard Random
03-19-07, 09:44 PM I am not to versed on Action Points, but taking what i do from the spell Unfettered Heroism i would guess you could only drop 1 action point per round. So no blasting with the Dorje and then using a quickned one....unless you have the UH spell on you then yes, you can do whatever you want since it allows for mutilpe action points per round.
Kiklio
03-19-07, 10:12 PM Ur-Priest? Persistent Unfettered Heroism? Beholder Mage? The only way make this more insane is with Psycarnum Infusion and Midnight Metamagic. Every spell you cast is now Twinned.

Thus supporting the notion that the only way to make a psionic combo obscene is to remove psionics from the equation.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Wizard Random 03-18-07, 10:28 PM	Well i got yet another idea. It seemed so simple i wondered why i had not noticed it/heard of it before. Infact it may have come out many times if so please bear with me. Due to the slightly embarasing way i was put down last time when trying to be able to regain my Psionic Focus as a swift or better, i retained my drive to make it work. During a phone conversation today with a freind I came upon this idea. We all know that Unfettered Heroism from Races of Eberron gives a free action point once per round and allows you to spend more than one point at a time on well, everything that uses action points. Well Heroic Focus IF you have the feat Psionic Meditation allows you to recover a psionic focus as a swift action by spending a action point. Seee where i am going? The great fun in being able to persist UH allows for tons of action point abuse or even the feat Raging Luck, but i think this is just Perfect for a psionic player. Like that one feat in the ToB that allows you to regain the focus as a swift action 3/day but MUCH more flexible . The problem remains on getting that spell on you everyday i figure of course Cerebramancer comes to mind almost instantly but is lacking due to lack of Other Psionic/Arcane Prc's, it doesn't fit the bill. LoP Dirty Trick number 1 : Behold! also works very well but then you have to be a beholder, and Psion 10/Ur-Priest 1/ Psi-Thurg 9 also works but then you don't get UH since it is a Bard5 /Wiz+Sroc 5. Any Ideas?
PhaedrusXY 03-18-07, 10:37 PM	Hmm... Raging Luck + Psionic Meditation + Heroic Focus. Sounds like a good combo. :D It burns your swift action every round though, which sucks. :( Is there any way for your Psicrystal to gain the ability to refocus itself?
Wizard Random 03-18-07, 10:41 PM	Hmm... Raging Luck + Psionic Meditation + Heroic Focus. Sounds like a good combo. :D It burns your swift action every round though, which sucks. :( Is it really that bad...IS IT REALLY??:D Honestly i like the idea of dropping my Focus twice a round for whatever i want, or making use of those nifty psionic feats and ending up at the end of the round with my focus agian.
Wizard Random 03-18-07, 10:43 PM	Is there any way for your Psicrystal to gain the ability to refocus itself? /shrug, me i always use my Crystal for NPC negotiations beyond that i have no clue. (unless its Epic which the 1 swift action a round becomes moot)
Jaid 03-18-07, 10:45 PM	iirc, for those who don't want to go the barbarian route, there is also a draconic prophecy feat (or whatever they're called) that grants a free action point every time you enter a state of prophetic favor or whateveritis...
Wizard Random 03-18-07, 10:49 PM	Well what if the Psicrystal takes Hidden power>>?? It would then have a PP reserve and as such be able to have a Psionic Focus. He would be treated as a 1st level Manafester since "Construct HD" are not a psionic class. Either way he gains the ability to have one.
Wizard Random 03-18-07, 10:55 PM	iirc, for those who don't want to go the barbarian route, there is also a draconic prophecy feat (or whatever they're called) that grants a free action point every time you enter a state of prophetic favor or whateveritis... No barbarian needed, just use Unfettered Heroism.
InkBlot 03-18-07, 11:54 PM	Ragin Luck gives you the action point you need to refocus, but while you're raging you can't use the concentration skill! So that combo doesn't work.
Wizard Random 03-19-07, 01:21 AM	Ragin Luck gives you the action point you need to refocus, but while you're raging you can't use the concentration skill! So that combo doesn't work. Yes but Unfettered Heroism works
Tempest Stormwind 03-19-07, 01:21 AM	There are better things to do during a persistent unfettered heroism than refocus. Take a look at the Wand Surge feat (Magic of Eberron) -- cast a spell from a wand or a staff by spending an action point instead of a charge. Voila, instant endless spells. Consequences here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=565966).
Wizard Random 03-19-07, 01:38 AM	There are better things to do during a persistent unfettered heroism than refocus. Take a look at the Wand Surge feat (Magic of Eberron) -- cast a spell from a wand or a staff by spending an action point instead of a charge. Voila, instant endless spells. Consequences here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=565966). Yea i know about all of that, its just that i remeber certain people saying I can't do it, and well now I can.
Thomar_of_Uointer 03-19-07, 02:05 AM	Yep. Hmm... What if you made a use-activated (expend focus while it's not active would be a good trigger) item that casts unfettered heroism on you? Better yet, just get an artificer to make one for you.
Wizard Random 03-19-07, 02:44 AM	Yep. Hmm... What if you made a use-activated (expend focus while it's not active would be a good trigger) item that casts unfettered heroism on you? Better yet, just get an artificer to make one for you. I thought about that, gaining a item (prefably already persisted) but something like that can be taken from you in game in any number of ways. For that reason i like to be able to do things myself. As it stands however it seems that would be the only route if i wanna keep my ML
magenificent 03-19-07, 03:01 AM	There's an easy way to get instant focus if you dont mind spending some PP. The Hustle power, Psiwar 2/Egoist 3. With the Psionic Meditation feat you can use that action to focus at swift speed for a minimal PP cost. Take the Expanded Knowledge feat for it if you're not an Egoist. -Mage
Wizard Random 03-19-07, 03:07 AM	There's an easy way to get instant focus if you dont mind spending some PP. The Hustle power, Psiwar 2/Egoist 3. With the Psionic Meditation feat you can use that action to focus at swift speed for a minimal PP cost. Take the Expanded Knowledge feat for it if you're not an Egoist. -Mage Thats true but it drains you like a battery. Also why Psiwar 2? Feats?
Thomar_of_Uointer 03-19-07, 12:01 PM	Thats true but it drains you like a battery. Also why Psiwar 2? Feats? I'm not sure either. Hustle is a level 2 psychic warrior power and a level 3 egoist power (which I think is what he's referring to, rather than a class combination). As a psion or wilder, you can use EK to take it as a psychic warrior power. If you're playing an egoist or psychic warrior already, you can just select it as a power. At higher levels, the cost of this power become insignificant, a small fraction of your daily total.
awaken_D_M_golem 03-19-07, 05:00 PM	There are better things to do during a persistent unfettered heroism than refocus. Take a look at the Wand Surge feat (Magic of Eberron) -- cast a spell from a wand or a staff by spending an action point instead of a charge. Voila, instant endless spells. Consequences here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=565966). Hey , yeah , I asked a version of this over there , and it never got answered , until I suceeded the Knowledge check. Wand Surge works with Dorjes ! and Dorjes are 'better' than Wands. not just m'cuz this is Psionics and all that. DivineMind plus this , "fixes" DivineMind in low powered games , heh. Does Wand Surge work with Quickened Wand/Dorjes ??
Wizard Random 03-19-07, 09:44 PM	I am not to versed on Action Points, but taking what i do from the spell Unfettered Heroism i would guess you could only drop 1 action point per round. So no blasting with the Dorje and then using a quickned one....unless you have the UH spell on you then yes, you can do whatever you want since it allows for mutilpe action points per round.
Kiklio 03-19-07, 10:12 PM	Ur-Priest? Persistent Unfettered Heroism? Beholder Mage? The only way make this more insane is with Psycarnum Infusion and Midnight Metamagic. Every spell you cast is now Twinned. Thus supporting the notion that the only way to make a psionic combo obscene is to remove psionics from the equation.