Items with higher save DCs? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Items with higher save DCs? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
OzyBurrfoot
03-17-08, 02:44 PM Can you make an item with a higher save DC? I'm speaking in terms of DM creation, not a player. What (if anything) would be a fair cost for increasing the save DC for an item's power?
Selgard
03-17-08, 03:16 PM Yes. You can, of course, do anything you want.

1) As for how to do it cost wise- the easiest method would be to require Heighten as a requirement for making, and then just adjust the cost accordingly. (that is to say, if you wanted to increase the DC by 2, that would be the same cost as increasing the spell level by 2).

2) If you specifically want it to work well for wands, you could rule that for the purpose of the actual spell level, you don't count the heighten.
(i.e. a +2 dc fireball is still 3rd level, so it could be put into a wand.. but would still be blocked by the Minor Globes and whatnot- even though it cost the same as a 5th level spell to create).

#1 imo is raw. It is allowed.
#2 is clearly a houserule.
OzyBurrfoot
03-17-08, 03:23 PM That seems an awfully expensive way to raise the DC.

And yes, I know I can do whatever I want, but I was hoping for a fair and balanced method, one that I could allow my players to utilize as well.
CrimsonDeath
03-17-08, 03:37 PM Staves and Psicrowns use the wielder's relevant ability score modifier, which will often be higher than the minimum needed to craft the item. Staves also allow the wielder to use relevant feats, like Spell Focus; I'm not sure about Psicrowns.

You could require Spell Focus or Psionic Endowment as a prerequisite, but I'm not sure how that would be reflected in the item's cost.
OzyBurrfoot
03-17-08, 03:40 PM Ok, let me be more specific. What I want to do is increase the save DC for Boots of Stomping, which have a measily Reflex save of 13.
MnemonicSV
03-18-08, 05:00 AM Near as I can tell, the DC for boots of stomping is actually already higher than it should be by formula.

The typical save DC for a power effect produced by an item is 10 + (3/2 * power's level, rounded down). Which means, the boots of stomping's Reflex save DC should actually be 11, not 13.

Go figure. :confused:

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
OzyBurrfoot 03-17-08, 02:44 PM	Can you make an item with a higher save DC? I'm speaking in terms of DM creation, not a player. What (if anything) would be a fair cost for increasing the save DC for an item's power?
Selgard 03-17-08, 03:16 PM	Yes. You can, of course, do anything you want. 1) As for how to do it cost wise- the easiest method would be to require Heighten as a requirement for making, and then just adjust the cost accordingly. (that is to say, if you wanted to increase the DC by 2, that would be the same cost as increasing the spell level by 2). 2) If you specifically want it to work well for wands, you could rule that for the purpose of the actual spell level, you don't count the heighten. (i.e. a +2 dc fireball is still 3rd level, so it could be put into a wand.. but would still be blocked by the Minor Globes and whatnot- even though it cost the same as a 5th level spell to create). #1 imo is raw. It is allowed. #2 is clearly a houserule.
OzyBurrfoot 03-17-08, 03:23 PM	That seems an awfully expensive way to raise the DC. And yes, I know I can do whatever I want, but I was hoping for a fair and balanced method, one that I could allow my players to utilize as well.
CrimsonDeath 03-17-08, 03:37 PM	Staves and Psicrowns use the wielder's relevant ability score modifier, which will often be higher than the minimum needed to craft the item. Staves also allow the wielder to use relevant feats, like Spell Focus; I'm not sure about Psicrowns. You could require Spell Focus or Psionic Endowment as a prerequisite, but I'm not sure how that would be reflected in the item's cost.
OzyBurrfoot 03-17-08, 03:40 PM	Ok, let me be more specific. What I want to do is increase the save DC for Boots of Stomping, which have a measily Reflex save of 13.
MnemonicSV 03-18-08, 05:00 AM	Near as I can tell, the DC for boots of stomping is actually already higher than it should be by formula. The typical save DC for a power effect produced by an item is 10 + (3/2 * power's level, rounded down). Which means, the boots of stomping's Reflex save DC should actually be 11, not 13. Go figure. :confused: