Looking for her stats. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Looking for her stats. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Ain
04-02-08, 11:15 PM In the campaign that I'm playing, my character made himself an enemy of the lich queen, current leader of the githyanki.

I was wondering if there was stats about her somewhere?
NoldorForce
04-02-08, 11:23 PM Planar Handbook, page 150. Beware, though...she has the dreaded Psionics (Sp) ability. (That is, fake psionics.)
Tempest Stormwind
04-02-08, 11:26 PM Dungeon magazine, around #100 or so. She's just a level 20 wizard lich, if I recall correctly.

The people at Paizo appear to hate psionics and would prefer to stat her as a wizard, because that's how she originally appeared, instead of as a psion, which fits her concept thematically but can't actually apply the "lich" template (as if that template were the only thing "lich" could mean...).
Ain
04-02-08, 11:27 PM That was quick answering, thanks to you both.

EDITS!

By the way, she's level 25 wizards and she's the kind I shouldn't have messed with, my bad. lol

She rocks.
NoldorForce
04-02-08, 11:34 PM Dungeon magazine, around #100 or so. She's just a level 20 wizard lich, if I recall correctly.

The people at Paizo appear to hate psionics and would prefer to stat her as a wizard, because that's how she originally appeared, instead of as a psion, which fits her concept thematically but can't actually apply the "lich" template (as if that template were the only thing "lich" could mean...).From what I can tell off the Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlaakith), she's designed to be a hefty challenge for high-level nonepic players in that magazine (precisely #100, in 2003). Planar Handbook (2004, and thus later) depicts her more "established" statistics as a 25th-level wizard.

Though I do agree that making her a caster in the first place is essentially legacy trash. If she's the most powerful member of a known psionic race, then why the hell can't she have REAL psionics?
Tempest Stormwind
04-03-08, 03:10 PM Though I do agree that making her a caster in the first place is essentially legacy trash. If she's the most powerful member of a known psionic race, then why the hell can't she have REAL psionics?

Have you EVER suggested that ANYTHING popularized by Planescape might not be entirely 100% divinely gifted upon us? You will be torn to shreds by rabid fans faster than you can say "legacy trash".

The classic example? They gave the Lady of Pain *a* stat ("LN female, unknown race"), and it spawned a many-page pile of tripe complaining about it. Similar things come up if one new source gives some obscure NPC a different class balance (i.e. fighter 2/cleric 1 -> fighter 1 / cleric 2). Could you imagine changing an important NPC to using something that sucked in 2e and therefore must suck now?
NoldorForce
04-03-08, 05:33 PM Good thing we aren't on the Deities and the Planes board, then. I've been there; I've been in a discussion about yugoloths being classified as demons in 4E. The Planescape folks were rather rabid; the other side was mostly EvilVegan and ArcTan.

Yeah, those folks can be really atavistic when their baby is in trouble.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Ain 04-02-08, 11:15 PM	In the campaign that I'm playing, my character made himself an enemy of the lich queen, current leader of the githyanki. I was wondering if there was stats about her somewhere?
NoldorForce 04-02-08, 11:23 PM	Planar Handbook, page 150. Beware, though...she has the dreaded Psionics (Sp) ability. (That is, fake psionics.)
Tempest Stormwind 04-02-08, 11:26 PM	Dungeon magazine, around #100 or so. She's just a level 20 wizard lich, if I recall correctly. The people at Paizo appear to hate psionics and would prefer to stat her as a wizard, because that's how she originally appeared, instead of as a psion, which fits her concept thematically but can't actually apply the "lich" template (as if that template were the only thing "lich" could mean...).
Ain 04-02-08, 11:27 PM	That was quick answering, thanks to you both. EDITS! By the way, she's level 25 wizards and she's the kind I shouldn't have messed with, my bad. lol She rocks.
NoldorForce 04-02-08, 11:34 PM	Dungeon magazine, around #100 or so. She's just a level 20 wizard lich, if I recall correctly. The people at Paizo appear to hate psionics and would prefer to stat her as a wizard, because that's how she originally appeared, instead of as a psion, which fits her concept thematically but can't actually apply the "lich" template (as if that template were the only thing "lich" could mean...).From what I can tell off the Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlaakith), she's designed to be a hefty challenge for high-level nonepic players in that magazine (precisely #100, in 2003). Planar Handbook (2004, and thus later) depicts her more "established" statistics as a 25th-level wizard. Though I do agree that making her a caster in the first place is essentially legacy trash. If she's the most powerful member of a known psionic race, then why the hell can't she have REAL psionics?
Tempest Stormwind 04-03-08, 03:10 PM	Though I do agree that making her a caster in the first place is essentially legacy trash. If she's the most powerful member of a known psionic race, then why the hell can't she have REAL psionics? Have you EVER suggested that ANYTHING popularized by Planescape might not be entirely 100% divinely gifted upon us? You will be torn to shreds by rabid fans faster than you can say "legacy trash". The classic example? They gave the Lady of Pain a stat ("LN female, unknown race"), and it spawned a many-page pile of tripe complaining about it. Similar things come up if one new source gives some obscure NPC a different class balance (i.e. fighter 2/cleric 1 -> fighter 1 / cleric 2). Could you imagine changing an important NPC to using something that sucked in 2e and therefore must suck now?
NoldorForce 04-03-08, 05:33 PM	Good thing we aren't on the Deities and the Planes board, then. I've been there; I've been in a discussion about yugoloths being classified as demons in 4E. The Planescape folks were rather rabid; the other side was mostly EvilVegan and ArcTan. Yeah, those folks can be really atavistic when their baby is in trouble.