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Guroth the Forsaken 01-17-08, 12:04 PM	Being inspired by the movie the Gamers, I want to build a Half Giant Lurk who sneak attacks with a ballista (LG crossbow). Can anyone help me put together a good powerful build, staying with Lurk class as much as possible? STR: 13 DEX: 14 CON: 17 INT: 16 WIS: 14 CHA: 13
rilem 01-17-08, 01:34 PM	Does he have to be Half-Giant? What books are allowed? What's the role you want to fill (i.e., is this guy going to be a skills guy or a combat guy?) Can you buy off the LA? What level are we talking? Obviously you need Lurk Augment: Ranged. Probably rapid reload, too. Possibly Crossbow Sniper (I'll think on that).
Guroth the Forsaken 01-17-08, 02:24 PM	Halfway between skills guy and sniper. My DM is letting me take locks and trap skills as I'm the only "skill monkey" in this odd group. I'm also buying out the LA eventually with a feat, using only about half of the racial abilities until I do. Half giant is definitely the way I want to go. Why, you ask? Well, for one, I found an awesome Reaper mini that would make a great half giant, and two, my group is a bit deranged and one of my other players is playing a halfling barbarian (:eek:), so I thought I'd go in the opposite direction.
rilem 01-17-08, 02:48 PM	Just checking. It's rough, as Lurk really should dip into Fighter, Scout or Ranger to help with skills, SA and feats -- what level does this start at (i.e., can you expect to get a Quick-Loading Crossbow, to spare you the Rapid Reload feat)? A couple ideas, neither fleshed out yet. Both assume that Crossbow Sniper would also expand Lurk Augment range to 60ft., as the feat does with Sneak Attack. Half-Giant PsyWar2/Lurk12/EWM1/SanctifiedMind4 Feats: EWP (Great Crossbow), WF (Great crossbow), Crossbow Sniper, Lurk Augment (ranged), Lurk Master, Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Rapid Reload, Iron Will Or Half-Giant Lurk16/PsyWar3 Point Blank Shot Precise Shot Rapid Reload (reformat away for Staggering Strike) WF (Large Heavy Crossbow) Crossbow Sniper Dodge Mobility Shot on the Run Lurk Augment (Ranged)
rilem 01-17-08, 05:33 PM	Halfway between skills guy and sniper. My DM is letting me take locks and trap skills as I'm the only "skill monkey" in this odd group. Note: Unless your DM also gives trapfinding, you're screwed. The True Thief Lurk variant really isn't that good and sacrifices too many good augments, but that's one of the only ways to get trapfinding that doesn't either a) Involve dipping and (for a half-giant) XP penalties or b) take 2-3 feats to accomplish. If you don't get trapfinding, both bother trying to contort yourself into a traps guy. Just shrug and move on.
rilem 01-18-08, 08:11 AM	a bit more developed -- I'd like to fit in shot on the run but I'm not seeing what to give up (unless your DM vetoes Crossbow Sniper with Lurk Augments at 60 ft.) Half-Giant Lurk18/PsyWar2 Feats: 1. Psywar 1 Point Blank Shot, Rapid Reload (reformat for WF: Xbow) 2. Lurk 1 3. Psywar 2 Lurk Augment (ranged), Precise Shot 4. Lurk 2 5. Lurk 3 6. Lurk 4 Expanded Knowledge (dimension hop or perfect archery) 7. Lurk 5 8. Lurk 6 9. Lurk 7 Craven or Expanded Knowledge or Darkstalker 10. Lurk 8 11. Lurk 9 12. Lurk 10 Crossbow Sniper 13. Lurk 11 14. Lurk 12 15. Lurk 13 Improved Precise Shot 16. Lurk 14 17. Lurk 15 18. Lurk 16 Expanded Knowledge (something) 19. Lurk 17 20. Lurk 18
Guroth the Forsaken 01-23-08, 12:04 PM	Thanks for the ideas. What's Craven though?
rilem 01-23-08, 05:20 PM	Champions of Ruin. +1/level sneak attack (effectively +5d6 sneak at level 20) but -2 to fear (and can't be immune to fear).
Zxn 01-23-08, 06:01 PM	Is there a Rogue prestige class like there is for Paladin? If you have a DM that is willing to bend a bit you can see if he will allow you a "Rogue like prestige class". Take out the sneak attack bonus (as you mentioned "sniper"/"skills" focused) and maybe allow +1 to manifester level every 2 - 4 levels. Maybe get rid of "Trap Sense" bonuses too... /shrugs ...Depends on your DM.
Tsuul 01-25-08, 03:48 AM	See if you can buyoff the LA with the Unearthed Arcana rules for level buyout. It looks complicated but really isn't once you get the gist. In short your half giant repeats his third class level and after which is no longer considered to have any LA.
Lia The Sun Elf Wizard 01-26-08, 11:00 PM	Loved the half-giant lurk build, anyone would have some for an elan lurk? Thx!
rilem 01-27-08, 11:14 PM	There's nothign especially synergistic about an Elan Lurk that I can see. Favored Class Psion doesn't help, and all the racial abilities basically give you another thing to spend your meager power points on. So you'd be looking at straight lurk, or Lurk/Pyro or Lurk10/Elocater10 or something similar.
Guroth the Forsaken 01-28-08, 07:21 AM	Champions of Ruin. +1/level sneak attack (effectively +5d6 sneak at level 20) but -2 to fear (and can't be immune to fear). Just trying to follow; is that +1 damage per level? :embarrass Also, what is Darkstalker? I have a lot of the books, but not all of them.
rilem 01-28-08, 05:03 PM	Just trying to follow; is that +1 damage per level? :embarrass Also, what is Darkstalker? I have a lot of the books, but not all of them. Yes, +1 damage per level. So a Lurk12/Elocater8 does +3d6 + 20 on a sneak attack. It's a good feat. Darkstalker's from Lords of Madness. Lets you hide versus stuff with blindsight, etc.