Metaconcert Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

Metaconcert Question [Archive] - Wizards Community

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deadkoo
02-08-08, 03:01 PM Ok, I have reread the spell a few times, and I may be stupid but;

What is the ML(manifester level) for metaconcert?

is it the "leaders"?

cheers
Caterpillar
02-08-08, 05:58 PM I believe it is the leaders ML + 1 per participant.
Eldritch_Lord
02-08-08, 06:19 PM I believe it is the leaders ML + 1 per participant.

No, it's only the leader's. Additional participants add to save DCs, but not ML, so you could increase DCs but you couldn't augment past the leader's ML.
Caterpillar
02-08-08, 06:26 PM No, it's only the leader's. Additional participants add to save DCs, but not ML, so you could increase DCs but you couldn't augment past the leader's ML.

Yah I just looked. Only thing more participants add to are the save DC's of the power and to the entities own saving throws.
deadkoo
02-08-08, 06:36 PM Ok...

I was wondering cause it says:

All the powers of each participant are known to the mental entity created with metaconcert (which is under the conductor’s command). This entity can’t take any more actions than a normal individual, but it manifests all its powers more effectively. Each participant contributing to the entity provides a cumulative +1 bonus to save DCs that apply when manifesting a power or using a psi-like ability. Likewise, each individual provides a cumulative +1 bonus when the entity makes its own saving throws in response to powers or psi-like abilities.

so the leader isn't actually the one manifesting...

I am confused by the wording. I understand that it can only manifest a power that is known to at least one of the members, but at what lvl is it manifested?

Meh, that was the ruling I assumed, but just wondering.

cheers
Eldritch_Lord
02-08-08, 06:52 PM Ok...

I was wondering cause it says:

All the powers of each participant are known to the mental entity created with metaconcert (which is under the conductor’s command). This entity can’t take any more actions than a normal individual, but it manifests all its powers more effectively. Each participant contributing to the entity provides a cumulative +1 bonus to save DCs that apply when manifesting a power or using a psi-like ability. Likewise, each individual provides a cumulative +1 bonus when the entity makes its own saving throws in response to powers or psi-like abilities.

so the leader isn't actually the one manifesting...

I am confused by the wording. I understand that it can only manifest a power that is known to at least one of the members, but at what lvl is it manifested?

Meh, that was the ruling I assumed, but just wondering.

cheers

The leader manifests everything, with the leader's ML, but he adds +1 to save DC for every participant and can manifest any power known by any of the participants.

Clearer?
Tempest Stormwind
02-08-08, 08:01 PM See the FAQ at the top of the forum.

Metaconcert's a really, really awesome power that happened to be really, really badly written.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
deadkoo 02-08-08, 03:01 PM	Ok, I have reread the spell a few times, and I may be stupid but; What is the ML(manifester level) for metaconcert? is it the "leaders"? cheers
Caterpillar 02-08-08, 05:58 PM	I believe it is the leaders ML + 1 per participant.
Eldritch_Lord 02-08-08, 06:19 PM	I believe it is the leaders ML + 1 per participant. No, it's only the leader's. Additional participants add to save DCs, but not ML, so you could increase DCs but you couldn't augment past the leader's ML.
Caterpillar 02-08-08, 06:26 PM	No, it's only the leader's. Additional participants add to save DCs, but not ML, so you could increase DCs but you couldn't augment past the leader's ML. Yah I just looked. Only thing more participants add to are the save DC's of the power and to the entities own saving throws.
deadkoo 02-08-08, 06:36 PM	Ok... I was wondering cause it says: All the powers of each participant are known to the mental entity created with metaconcert (which is under the conductor’s command). This entity can’t take any more actions than a normal individual, but it manifests all its powers more effectively. Each participant contributing to the entity provides a cumulative +1 bonus to save DCs that apply when manifesting a power or using a psi-like ability. Likewise, each individual provides a cumulative +1 bonus when the entity makes its own saving throws in response to powers or psi-like abilities. so the leader isn't actually the one manifesting... I am confused by the wording. I understand that it can only manifest a power that is known to at least one of the members, but at what lvl is it manifested? Meh, that was the ruling I assumed, but just wondering. cheers
Eldritch_Lord 02-08-08, 06:52 PM	Ok... I was wondering cause it says: All the powers of each participant are known to the mental entity created with metaconcert (which is under the conductor’s command). This entity can’t take any more actions than a normal individual, but it manifests all its powers more effectively. Each participant contributing to the entity provides a cumulative +1 bonus to save DCs that apply when manifesting a power or using a psi-like ability. Likewise, each individual provides a cumulative +1 bonus when the entity makes its own saving throws in response to powers or psi-like abilities. so the leader isn't actually the one manifesting... I am confused by the wording. I understand that it can only manifest a power that is known to at least one of the members, but at what lvl is it manifested? Meh, that was the ruling I assumed, but just wondering. cheers The leader manifests everything, with the leader's ML, but he adds +1 to save DC for every participant and can manifest any power known by any of the participants. Clearer?
Tempest Stormwind 02-08-08, 08:01 PM	See the FAQ at the top of the forum. Metaconcert's a really, really awesome power that happened to be really, really badly written.