Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Lejes 03-15-07, 10:32 PM	I could have sworn that I read a while back about a certain method that could possibly allow a caster to use different modifier than the one normally used? Example.. a Psion could use his Charisma modifier for his casting abilities as opposed to his Intelligence? My only though went to the Geomancer, but that is reserved for Arcane Casters and Divine Casters. Any suggestions? It would help alot! I'm desperately trying to figure out how to get this Psion the ability to utilize his Charisma mod, but am drawing a blank. ~Lejes
Zodiaq7 03-16-07, 12:07 PM	The only thing I can think of would be to retrain into Wilder, but then again I only own Expanded Psionics.
InkBlot 03-16-07, 02:02 PM	No, there isn't any way to change your manifesting stat. Not in the XPH, not in CPsi, and not in any other WotC book I know of. Perhaps you're thinking of 3rd edition psionics. In the previous edition of D&D, each discipline of powers used a different stat. So to manifest a 3rd level psychokinetic power you needed a 13 strength, and to manifest a 3rd level telepathic power you needed a 13 charisma. This was stupid. A lot of people houseruled that each psion sub-class (egoist, seer, nomad, et al.) used a different stat for all of their powers. For example, a kineticist would need a 13 strength to manifest a 3rd level clairsentience power. When the XPH came along, many people carried over this houserule into 3.5 for some reason.
Shado 03-16-07, 02:03 PM	The only way I've seen to change out the manifesting stat of a Psion would be to sort of house rule their stat based on 3.0 psionics. Something like: Egoist and Nomad = WIS Kineticist and Shaper = INT Seer and Telepath = CHA I wouldn't go so far as to use the physical stats again... that was a little out of hand. Within the d20 system, there's no options or feat to do this though. It's basically Psion = INT, Ardent = WIS and Wilder = CHA.
Red12 03-16-07, 03:10 PM	I don't think a feat would be unwarrented. Especially going from INT to CHA (obviously a downgrade). If you have the ability too, I'd just make up a feat that required 13 INT and 15 CHA, and let you swap casting stats.
NoldorForce 03-16-07, 03:23 PM	There's only one thing I've seen that did that, and it wasn't WotC. The Arcana Evolved system did this if you multiclassed into a different spellcasting class, but this was a consequence of pooling spell slots. All that being said, making a feat to do this would not be unwarranted.
InkBlot 03-16-07, 03:57 PM	The only way I've seen to change out the manifesting stat of a Psion would be to sort of house rule their stat based on 3.0 psionics. ... I wouldn't go so far as to use the physical stats again... that was a little out of hand. I'm currently playing in a game where the DM rule zeroed that egoists, nomads, and kineticists use Con, Dex, and Str for manifesting. There, now you've seen it. And yes, it is a little bit out of hand. I'm playing a monk14/kineticist5/crusader1, with a strength of 29 and an int of 13. This character's save DCs are higher than those of anyone else in the party, including the cleric/stormlord and the sorcerer/rogue/arcane trickster. Of course spell resistance (which almost everything has) kicks my monk's butt, and I still wish I had taken psywar or ardent instead of psion.
Red12 03-16-07, 04:53 PM	There's only one thing I've seen that did that, and it wasn't WotC. The Arcana Evolved system did this if you multiclassed into a different spellcasting class, but this was a consequence of pooling spell slots. All that being said, making a feat to do this would not be unwarranted. Where do ya think I got the Idea. ;) In fact, the Diamond Throne Fansite has a few talents that let you switch your casting stat, tho they make it more worthwhile do to the fact you are using your only talent feat.
Shado 03-16-07, 06:02 PM	I'm currently playing in a game where the DM rule zeroed that egoists, nomads, and kineticists use Con, Dex, and Str for manifesting. There, now you've seen it. And yes, it is a little bit out of hand. I'm playing a monk14/kineticist5/crusader1, with a strength of 29 and an int of 13. This character's save DCs are higher than those of anyone else in the party, including the cleric/stormlord and the sorcerer/rogue/arcane trickster. Of course spell resistance (which almost everything has) kicks my monk's butt, and I still wish I had taken psywar or ardent instead of psion. Yeah, I've seen several posts where campaigns switched over to 3.5 and basically "Grandfathered" in existing Psions. Still, for newer campaigns, or those that did not have PC Psions prior to 3.5, I really don't suggest allowing physical stats as manifesting stats.