Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Evilclone 08-16-07, 06:48 AM	Nothing in the description of the Psionic Body feat prevents a player to take it multiple times and boost up his life points at high values. A player I know is starting as a 2° level human psychic warrior, he has 4 feats. If he takes psionic body 4 times he get 32hp plus hit dice and constitution. What do you think about it?
Bacris 08-16-07, 07:12 AM	Well, given that you can't take a feat multiple times unless it explicitly says "You can take this feat multiple times," I wouldn't allow it...
munin 08-16-07, 09:43 AM	You can take it more than once, it just doesn't provide you additional benefits: If a character has the same feat more than once, its benefits do not stack unless indicated otherwise in the description. In general, having a feat twice is the same as having it once.
AntiDjinn 08-16-07, 11:34 AM	As noted above, the benefits of a given feat only stack with itself when it is specifically noted in the feat description. It is fine to have multiple copies of a feat, but normally you only get the benefit once. In the case of Psionic Body, multiple copies would give you: 1) +2 hit points due to the working copy of the feat you have. It is still a psionic feat, even if its benefit is not functional. Of course, you could spend the same slot on a different psionic feat, gain that benefit, and still get +2 hit points. 2) You have backup copies in case you get hit with Feat Leech. Aside: Psionic Body is not as good all-around as many seem to think it is. It makes you a more durable punching bag without increasing your ability to respond. If you want more hit points use Vigor or just play a fighter; sucking up damage is not the party psion's job. At higher levels the added hit points won't make a difference when upwards of 20d6 of damage are coming your way. They also don't help vs. save or die effects (except Power Words and similar). Consider: A feat slot spent on Psionic Body for a few added hit points vs. the same slot spent on Expanded Knowledge (Astral Construct, Schism, Metamorphosis). Which option makes it more likely you will win a fight? Which helps you to garner more XP? Which grants you options beyond simply sucking up more damage?
Lycanthromancer 08-16-07, 12:03 PM	It can be very useful in some builds. My psion-based THE BIG GUY IS WITH ME build benefits from this immensely, since my psicrystal is rather fragile (though my buffing can reduce this fragility, every little bit helps).
InkBlot 08-16-07, 12:04 PM	Aside: Psionic Body is not as good all-around as many seem to think it is. (...) sucking up damage is not the party psion's job. Who said anything about Psions? Psionic Body rocks for a Psychic Warrior.
Lycanthromancer 08-16-07, 12:17 PM	Definitely right on that count. Psychic warriors get tons of feats, and it's one power (vigor) that you don't have to manifest as often.
Knight0 08-16-07, 12:53 PM	I'm currentyl playing a near epic psion and psionic body is still good for me. I think it would be better for a psychic warrior as they get lots of psionic feats. Psionic Body is also a prereq for psion uncarnate.
Evilclone 08-16-07, 03:00 PM	Thank you for the info ^_^ The guy who wanted to do this trick isn't very happy :D
SlanderPanic 08-16-07, 03:14 PM	We're always happy to melt some cheese around here, Evilclone. Also, I agree with InkBlot. Psionic Body is an absolute gem for a psychic warrior. You can never have too many hit points.
Bacris 08-16-07, 03:17 PM	It's also great for a melee-oriented Ardent :) Although not quite as much of a benefit, but it helps that d6 Hit Dice.
Evilclone 08-16-07, 03:41 PM	We're always happy to melt some cheese around here, Evilclone. Also, I agree with InkBlot. Psionic Body is an absolute gem for a psychic warrior. You can never have too many hit points. In fact he's going to pick up another class, he wanted to take the psychic warrior only for this trick :) It's good that I don't play in that group :P