Odd but good MS + AS [Archive] - Wizards Community

Odd but good MS + AS [Archive] - Wizards Community

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EonEdge
10-26-07, 12:56 AM I was trying to think of odd but good Astral Seed + Mind Switch combos, and one that I was thinking of is Puppeteer.

yeah may not be much of a powerhouse but would be easy to acquire and you gain blindsight 60', Enthrall, and protection from spells/physical attacks because you are considered an object not a creature, or a creature in a grapple when you're specifically are targeted for physical attacks.

once you succeed with the initial charm of a monster you can then permanetly dominate them until you grow bored of them or they die, you become very hard to damage, and with a simple share pain on rare occasions that you do get damaged your thrall takes half. Not only can you take over any monster that fails a will save to your charm and gain control over all of thier abilities indefinately, but you can also infiltrate nearly any orginazation.

Plus you get to be a brain slug, how cool.
Callix
10-26-07, 08:24 AM PAO'ed armor has always been a favourite of mine. Let the PAO run out, and you turn back into armor. Take Touchsight and Mindlink, then have the Fighter wear you. You've got hardness 20, and are not a legal target for attacks so long as your wearer is up and about.

Other useful powers include Psionic Repair Damage for self-repair, and Psionic Revivify, since you'll always be on the spot if your wearer falls. Then, of course, you get to hurl Energy Balls and Psionic Disintegrates at enemies with total impunity. You can't take any physical actions without using something like Control Object or Telekinetic Force/Maneuver, but you're immortal, have no Con score and thus get immunities, and are pretty much invulnerable and undetectable physically.
TheKeyofE
10-26-07, 10:49 AM So you just turn yourself into an intelligent item? The idea has merit...:plotting:
Lycanthromancer
10-26-07, 01:48 PM You'd have to find some way to retain your intellect when you polymorph, however... But I suppose if you could find an already intelligent item, then polymorph it into a creature not immune to mind-affecting effects, then use true mind switch (or the astral seed + mind switch combo), then use polymorph any object to turn yourself into the item of your choice...

This has possibilities.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g111/Lycanthromancer/DrEvil.jpg
Callix
10-26-07, 07:10 PM I actually posted this over on CharOp a while ago, but they weren't so keen on it.

Basic scenario is to PAO the item of your choice into a harmless animal. Let's use a rabbit. You buy the PAO, then use Astral Seed, Mind Switch and Psychic Chirurgery to get into the rabbit's mind. The caster of the PAO dismisses it, and you turn back into the item.

The effect of PAO (object to rabbit) is that the object has the physical form of a rabbit and the mind of a rabbit. When the PAO ends, it ceases to have the mind of a rabbit. Since your mind has replaced the mind of said rabbit, and that mind was destroyed with the astral seed, this part of removing the spell has nothing to do. The remaining effects end, and you cease to possess the body of a rabbit. Now you possess the body of the target item, and retain your own intelligence and powers.

Short version: you keep your mind, even as an object, and even if the object wasn't intelligent, or even magical, to begin with.

The cool stuff comes when you ask the rules questions.

1. As an item, can you enchant yourself?
2. If you choose to become a weapon, are you proficient with yourself (using, e.g., Telekinetic Maneuver)?
3. If you choose to become armor and manifest a Touch power, can you use it on people who miss your wearer? You sure can if they grapple him.

Etc, etc. You get the idea.

Also, a high-level telepath bound into a necklace... with intricate knowledge of the rules of a certain card game...

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
EonEdge 10-26-07, 12:56 AM	I was trying to think of odd but good Astral Seed + Mind Switch combos, and one that I was thinking of is Puppeteer. yeah may not be much of a powerhouse but would be easy to acquire and you gain blindsight 60', Enthrall, and protection from spells/physical attacks because you are considered an object not a creature, or a creature in a grapple when you're specifically are targeted for physical attacks. once you succeed with the initial charm of a monster you can then permanetly dominate them until you grow bored of them or they die, you become very hard to damage, and with a simple share pain on rare occasions that you do get damaged your thrall takes half. Not only can you take over any monster that fails a will save to your charm and gain control over all of thier abilities indefinately, but you can also infiltrate nearly any orginazation. Plus you get to be a brain slug, how cool.
Callix 10-26-07, 08:24 AM	PAO'ed armor has always been a favourite of mine. Let the PAO run out, and you turn back into armor. Take Touchsight and Mindlink, then have the Fighter wear you. You've got hardness 20, and are not a legal target for attacks so long as your wearer is up and about. Other useful powers include Psionic Repair Damage for self-repair, and Psionic Revivify, since you'll always be on the spot if your wearer falls. Then, of course, you get to hurl Energy Balls and Psionic Disintegrates at enemies with total impunity. You can't take any physical actions without using something like Control Object or Telekinetic Force/Maneuver, but you're immortal, have no Con score and thus get immunities, and are pretty much invulnerable and undetectable physically.
TheKeyofE 10-26-07, 10:49 AM	So you just turn yourself into an intelligent item? The idea has merit...:plotting:
Lycanthromancer 10-26-07, 01:48 PM	You'd have to find some way to retain your intellect when you polymorph, however... But I suppose if you could find an already intelligent item, then polymorph it into a creature not immune to mind-affecting effects, then use true mind switch (or the astral seed + mind switch combo), then use polymorph any object to turn yourself into the item of your choice... This has possibilities. http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g111/Lycanthromancer/DrEvil.jpg
Callix 10-26-07, 07:10 PM	I actually posted this over on CharOp a while ago, but they weren't so keen on it. Basic scenario is to PAO the item of your choice into a harmless animal. Let's use a rabbit. You buy the PAO, then use Astral Seed, Mind Switch and Psychic Chirurgery to get into the rabbit's mind. The caster of the PAO dismisses it, and you turn back into the item. The effect of PAO (object to rabbit) is that the object has the physical form of a rabbit and the mind of a rabbit. When the PAO ends, it ceases to have the mind of a rabbit. Since your mind has replaced the mind of said rabbit, and that mind was destroyed with the astral seed, this part of removing the spell has nothing to do. The remaining effects end, and you cease to possess the body of a rabbit. Now you possess the body of the target item, and retain your own intelligence and powers. Short version: you keep your mind, even as an object, and even if the object wasn't intelligent, or even magical, to begin with. The cool stuff comes when you ask the rules questions. 1. As an item, can you enchant yourself? 2. If you choose to become a weapon, are you proficient with yourself (using, e.g., Telekinetic Maneuver)? 3. If you choose to become armor and manifest a Touch power, can you use it on people who miss your wearer? You sure can if they grapple him. Etc, etc. You get the idea. Also, a high-level telepath bound into a necklace... with intricate knowledge of the rules of a certain card game...