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Over Channel Level [Archive] - Wizards Community

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ToastedAmphibian
10-15-07, 10:54 PM Overchannel [Psionic]
You burn your life force to strengthen your powers.

Benefit
While manifesting a power, you can increase your effective manifester level by one, but in so doing you take 1d8 points of damage. At 8th level, you can choose to increase your effective manifester level by two, but you take 3d8 points of damage. At 15th level, you can increase your effective manifester level by three, but you take 5d8 points of damage.

The effective increase in manifester level increases the number of power points you can expend on a single power manifestation, as well as increasing all manifester level-dependent effects, such as range, duration, and overcoming power resistance.

Normal
Your manifester level is equal to your total levels in classes that manifest powers.

I take the bolded parts to mean character level, as they dont SAY manifester level. Please correct me if im wrong.

Im building a multi class Psiwarrior and want to be able to augment expansion to the point that it will be really usefull (2 sizes for 10 minutes per manifester level) but really really really dont want to have to take 9 levels of psi warrior to get there. I would like to be able to actually HIT things when im that large...
Dracomorph
10-15-07, 11:23 PM Yes, it's character level rather than manifester level. If you just want higher manifester level, and will have sufficient character level, you might consider Practiced Manifester instead.
Jaid
10-16-07, 02:22 PM I would like to be able to actually HIT things when im that large...

Psychic Warriors don't have problems hitting things, you just have to buff them properly. it requires a different sort of mindset when compared to a fighter.
vorpo
10-16-07, 02:31 PM Indeed, or just take the Deep Impact feat and make your attacks touch attacks.
ToastedAmphibian
10-16-07, 04:06 PM Practiced Manifester.... Yes that seems to be EXACTLY what im looking for. It will take me an extra level to be able go augment expansion the way i want, but it will save me from having to take the talented feat (Which I wouldnt be able to get till 9th level anyways) This way i only have to spend a standard action to grow, instead of a full round to focus, then a standard action to grow.

And to teh rest of you, ill be a huge sized goliath making trip attacks..... Explain to me how Deep Impact is worth any of my very scarse power points? I think they would be better spent on something like force screen.
ToastedAmphibian
10-16-07, 04:08 PM AW HELL. Psicraft isnt a class skill for PsyWarriors!!!! ARG!
Tempest Stormwind
10-16-07, 04:11 PM And to teh rest of you, ill be a huge sized goliath making trip attacks..... Explain to me how Deep Impact is worth any of my very scarse power points? I think they would be better spent on something like force screen.

Que?

Deep Impact costs you your psionic focus, which doesn't cost any power points. The ONLY link between focus and power points is that you need at least 1 point remaining to focus or remain focused. It doesn't care how many you spend, so long as you have at least 1 left, and it never costs you any points.
SlanderPanic
10-16-07, 04:17 PM <scrubbed> Tempest sniped it. G'jerb.
ToastedAmphibian
10-16-07, 04:40 PM I apologise, i thought it was a power, oops. However it is at the end of a 3 feat chain, and is only useable about once a fight. And hopefully ill be tripping and or disarming.
Fafnir
10-16-07, 05:07 PM I apologise, i thought it was a power, oops. However it is at the end of a 3 feat chain, and is only useable about once a fight. And hopefully ill be tripping and or disarming.

Unless you use Psionic Meditation. And it's only 2 feats - Greater Psi Weapon isn't a prerequisite.
Lycanthromancer
10-16-07, 05:58 PM Try going for a spiked chain build. Being a Huge-sized goliath will really give you some serious reach. If you have a nice large Strength score, with the Improved Trip feat you'll mainly have to worry about the enemy's touch AC, and then they'll be prone when you make your regular attack against them. If you can manage to get the fate of one power off the seer's list, you can reroll any time you miss.

Do have fun.
InkBlot
10-16-07, 06:53 PM AW HELL. Psicraft isnt a class skill for PsyWarriors!!!! ARG!
Look on the bright side: at least Practiced Manifester is a psionic feat. That means you can pick it up with one of your PsiWar bonus feats, and it gives you +2 HP if you have Psionic Body. And you can have 4 cross-class ranks at 5th level, which doesn't sound too bad to me.
CrimsonDeath
10-16-07, 08:47 PM Look on the bright side: at least Practiced Manifester is a psionic feat. That means you can pick it up with one of your PsiWar bonus feats, and it gives you +2 HP if you have Psionic Body. And you can have 4 cross-class ranks at 5th level, which doesn't sound too bad to me.

It's not so great if you only get 2+Int skill points/level and also want to max out Concentration...
Artector
10-16-07, 09:12 PM It's not so great if you only get 2+Int skill points/level and also want to max out Concentration...

There's also the feat open-minded...

Though that will cost a feat-slot, sometimes you may just have to wait to get the nice things to make you even more bad-ass.
ToastedAmphibian
10-19-07, 09:08 PM Try going for a spiked chain build. Being a Huge-sized goliath will really give you some serious reach. If you have a nice large Strength score, with the Improved Trip feat you'll mainly have to worry about the enemy's touch AC, and then they'll be prone when you make your regular attack against them.

Exactly what this is.

Look on the bright side: at least Practiced Manifester is a psionic feat. That means you can pick it up with one of your PsiWar bonus feats, and it gives you +2 HP if you have Psionic Body. And you can have 4 cross-class ranks at 5th level, which doesn't sound too bad to me.

I have an intelligence of {10} (Edit: sorry, i dont have my character sheet with me, but i have improved trip, so my int is probably either 13 or 14.) and im already psi warrior 5 with zero ranks in psicraft. If i spend all my skill points from here on in psicraft, i will qualify for practiced manifester at level 9. At which point i wont need it anymore.

However, multiclassing into a PRC might work right? It dosnt really mesh with my original intent, but looking at it, warmind could be pretty handy.
Im thinking of going psywarior 5, Barbarian 1 (Favored class, 4 skill points, mountain rage makes for an emergency enlarge+ lots of str), and then warmind 2. Then take my 6th level of psywarrior at level 9, and take practiced manifester. Then finish out warmind.

Does that sound like a descent plan to anyone?
Thank you all for the help thus far. Didnt even realize practiced manifester existed. It only works for one class right?

Wait... I think i might be confused about how manifester levels work.
Normal
Your manifester level is equal to your total levels in classes that manifest powers.

While you maintain a single reserve of power points from your class, race, and feat selections, you are still limited by the manifester level you have achieved with each power you know.

The first qoute is from Overchannel, the second is from the SRD section "Multiclass Psionic Characters". The first one says that manifter level adds up all your classes that manifest. The second one implies that you have a seperate manifester level for each class. Which of these is correct?
Artector
10-19-07, 09:28 PM You have a seperate manifester level for each class.

I suggest using Slayer (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/prestigeClasses/slayer.htm) as it get 9/10 manifesting and a full bab.
ToastedAmphibian
10-19-07, 10:05 PM Yes, it does look like a good class. Warmind has a bigger hit die and 2 good saves though. Also, it looks like sweeping strike and Improved trip could be extra nasty. Also, i would have fewer power points, but more powers known, if i went with slayer instead of warmind. It would also requier me to take 4 ranks in a cross class skill, and teh track feat to qualify.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
ToastedAmphibian 10-15-07, 10:54 PM	Overchannel [Psionic] You burn your life force to strengthen your powers. Benefit While manifesting a power, you can increase your effective manifester level by one, but in so doing you take 1d8 points of damage. At 8th level, you can choose to increase your effective manifester level by two, but you take 3d8 points of damage. At 15th level, you can increase your effective manifester level by three, but you take 5d8 points of damage. The effective increase in manifester level increases the number of power points you can expend on a single power manifestation, as well as increasing all manifester level-dependent effects, such as range, duration, and overcoming power resistance. Normal Your manifester level is equal to your total levels in classes that manifest powers. I take the bolded parts to mean character level, as they dont SAY manifester level. Please correct me if im wrong. Im building a multi class Psiwarrior and want to be able to augment expansion to the point that it will be really usefull (2 sizes for 10 minutes per manifester level) but really really really dont want to have to take 9 levels of psi warrior to get there. I would like to be able to actually HIT things when im that large...
Dracomorph 10-15-07, 11:23 PM	Yes, it's character level rather than manifester level. If you just want higher manifester level, and will have sufficient character level, you might consider Practiced Manifester instead.
Jaid 10-16-07, 02:22 PM	I would like to be able to actually HIT things when im that large... Psychic Warriors don't have problems hitting things, you just have to buff them properly. it requires a different sort of mindset when compared to a fighter.
vorpo 10-16-07, 02:31 PM	Indeed, or just take the Deep Impact feat and make your attacks touch attacks.
ToastedAmphibian 10-16-07, 04:06 PM	Practiced Manifester.... Yes that seems to be EXACTLY what im looking for. It will take me an extra level to be able go augment expansion the way i want, but it will save me from having to take the talented feat (Which I wouldnt be able to get till 9th level anyways) This way i only have to spend a standard action to grow, instead of a full round to focus, then a standard action to grow. And to teh rest of you, ill be a huge sized goliath making trip attacks..... Explain to me how Deep Impact is worth any of my very scarse power points? I think they would be better spent on something like force screen.
ToastedAmphibian 10-16-07, 04:08 PM	AW HELL. Psicraft isnt a class skill for PsyWarriors!!!! ARG!
Tempest Stormwind 10-16-07, 04:11 PM	And to teh rest of you, ill be a huge sized goliath making trip attacks..... Explain to me how Deep Impact is worth any of my very scarse power points? I think they would be better spent on something like force screen. Que? Deep Impact costs you your psionic focus, which doesn't cost any power points. The ONLY link between focus and power points is that you need at least 1 point remaining to focus or remain focused. It doesn't care how many you spend, so long as you have at least 1 left, and it never costs you any points.
SlanderPanic 10-16-07, 04:17 PM	<scrubbed> Tempest sniped it. G'jerb.
ToastedAmphibian 10-16-07, 04:40 PM	I apologise, i thought it was a power, oops. However it is at the end of a 3 feat chain, and is only useable about once a fight. And hopefully ill be tripping and or disarming.
Fafnir 10-16-07, 05:07 PM	I apologise, i thought it was a power, oops. However it is at the end of a 3 feat chain, and is only useable about once a fight. And hopefully ill be tripping and or disarming. Unless you use Psionic Meditation. And it's only 2 feats - Greater Psi Weapon isn't a prerequisite.
Lycanthromancer 10-16-07, 05:58 PM	Try going for a spiked chain build. Being a Huge-sized goliath will really give you some serious reach. If you have a nice large Strength score, with the Improved Trip feat you'll mainly have to worry about the enemy's touch AC, and then they'll be prone when you make your regular attack against them. If you can manage to get the fate of one power off the seer's list, you can reroll any time you miss. Do have fun.
InkBlot 10-16-07, 06:53 PM	AW HELL. Psicraft isnt a class skill for PsyWarriors!!!! ARG! Look on the bright side: at least Practiced Manifester is a psionic feat. That means you can pick it up with one of your PsiWar bonus feats, and it gives you +2 HP if you have Psionic Body. And you can have 4 cross-class ranks at 5th level, which doesn't sound too bad to me.
CrimsonDeath 10-16-07, 08:47 PM	Look on the bright side: at least Practiced Manifester is a psionic feat. That means you can pick it up with one of your PsiWar bonus feats, and it gives you +2 HP if you have Psionic Body. And you can have 4 cross-class ranks at 5th level, which doesn't sound too bad to me. It's not so great if you only get 2+Int skill points/level and also want to max out Concentration...
Artector 10-16-07, 09:12 PM	It's not so great if you only get 2+Int skill points/level and also want to max out Concentration... There's also the feat open-minded... Though that will cost a feat-slot, sometimes you may just have to wait to get the nice things to make you even more bad-ass.
ToastedAmphibian 10-19-07, 09:08 PM	Try going for a spiked chain build. Being a Huge-sized goliath will really give you some serious reach. If you have a nice large Strength score, with the Improved Trip feat you'll mainly have to worry about the enemy's touch AC, and then they'll be prone when you make your regular attack against them. Exactly what this is. Look on the bright side: at least Practiced Manifester is a psionic feat. That means you can pick it up with one of your PsiWar bonus feats, and it gives you +2 HP if you have Psionic Body. And you can have 4 cross-class ranks at 5th level, which doesn't sound too bad to me. I have an intelligence of {10} (Edit: sorry, i dont have my character sheet with me, but i have improved trip, so my int is probably either 13 or 14.) and im already psi warrior 5 with zero ranks in psicraft. If i spend all my skill points from here on in psicraft, i will qualify for practiced manifester at level 9. At which point i wont need it anymore. However, multiclassing into a PRC might work right? It dosnt really mesh with my original intent, but looking at it, warmind could be pretty handy. Im thinking of going psywarior 5, Barbarian 1 (Favored class, 4 skill points, mountain rage makes for an emergency enlarge+ lots of str), and then warmind 2. Then take my 6th level of psywarrior at level 9, and take practiced manifester. Then finish out warmind. Does that sound like a descent plan to anyone? Thank you all for the help thus far. Didnt even realize practiced manifester existed. It only works for one class right? Wait... I think i might be confused about how manifester levels work. Normal Your manifester level is equal to your total levels in classes that manifest powers. While you maintain a single reserve of power points from your class, race, and feat selections, you are still limited by the manifester level you have achieved with each power you know. The first qoute is from Overchannel, the second is from the SRD section "Multiclass Psionic Characters". The first one says that manifter level adds up all your classes that manifest. The second one implies that you have a seperate manifester level for each class. Which of these is correct?
Artector 10-19-07, 09:28 PM	You have a seperate manifester level for each class. I suggest using Slayer (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/prestigeClasses/slayer.htm) as it get 9/10 manifesting and a full bab.
ToastedAmphibian 10-19-07, 10:05 PM	Yes, it does look like a good class. Warmind has a bigger hit die and 2 good saves though. Also, it looks like sweeping strike and Improved trip could be extra nasty. Also, i would have fewer power points, but more powers known, if i went with slayer instead of warmind. It would also requier me to take 4 ranks in a cross class skill, and teh track feat to qualify.