Psicrown creation question [Archive] - Wizards Community

Psicrown creation question [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Psyrus
07-27-07, 10:59 AM I'm wondering if I'm missing something or if the Astral Legion psicrown is an exception.

From the SRD:
The minimum manifester level of a psicrown is 8th. The manifester level of a psicrown cannot be more than five levels higher than the minimum manifester level for the highest-level power in the psicrown. Standard psicrowns are described below.

Astral Legion
This psicrown has 900 power points. It is made from white silk interwoven with crystalline strands of thread. It allows use of the following power.

Astral construct
Strong metacreativity; ML 18th; Craft Psicrown, astral construct; Price 47,250 gp.

The minimum manifester level for Astral Construct is 1. Going by the rules, the highest you could make the psicrown is ML6.

Since you have to increase the power level for every two manifester level increases, is the power level the limiting factor?

Confused... :confused: :confused: :confused:
Tempest Stormwind
07-27-07, 11:13 AM For the longest time, this baffled me as well.

However, one of my DMs, DisposableHero, figured it out -- WHILE DMING, I might add, which makes it all the more impressive.

The psicrown of the astral legion is priced for Astral Construct augmented to 7th level equivalent (minimum ML 13), with a manifester level of 18 (13+5, since you can't make a psicrown with an ML higher than 5 above the required ML).

375*18*7 = 47,250 GP.
Psyrus
07-27-07, 12:28 PM Thanks, this helps a lot. :D
Psyrus
07-27-07, 03:17 PM Hmm, does this mean the prices in the book are incorrect?

The market value should be 750x18x7=94,500, the 375x18x7 would be creation cost. :eek:
Zarreth_Nessad
07-28-07, 11:23 PM I believe the cost of that particular crown is incorrect, at any rate. As implied before, they apparently just put the cost of the materials, instead of the market cost itself.

750 * 18 * 7 = 94,500
375 * 18 * 7 = 47,250
(now working backwards, trying to figure out what the hell the writers were thinking, no offense intended.)
47,250 / 750 = 63
63 / 18 = 3.5

Since there isn't any precedent for making items with a spell/power level of x.5, I have to assume that the power level was supposed to be 7 (3.5 * 2), and they put the cost of materials as the market cost.
Tempest Stormwind
07-28-07, 11:55 PM All the psicrowns are priced with 375 instead of 750, oddly. (I had to double-check when we did all the crowns in UTP.)

I haven't checked how staffs are priced, but I suspect there's a similar problem there.
Zarreth_Nessad
07-29-07, 01:39 AM Might have something to do with the fact that nowhere in the XPH does it specifically state the market cost formula, rather referring to it as "the base materials cost half the market price" (not necessarily exact words, but close), and then listing a formula for the base costs instead of the market price like they normally do in every other book I've noticed.
gbnogkfs
07-29-07, 01:23 PM The formula is there; it just isn't consistent with the prices isted.

You can't "augment Astral Construct to 7th level", as it is always a 1st level power...
...AND, the maximum ML would then be 1+5=6.

It has been years I have tried to find a logic about those prices: no way...
Fafnir
07-29-07, 02:06 PM You can't "augment Astral Construct to 7th level", as it is always a 1st level power...

Not for item creation purposes. A 13 pp Astral Construct counts as a 7th level power in this case.
gbnogkfs
07-29-07, 06:47 PM mmmhhh... not really convinced.

can anyone explain to me the puzzling spelling for dorjes and psicrown costs?

If an augmentable power is incorporated into a dorje at a higher manifester level than the minimum level required to manifest the power, each discharge of the power from the dorje is augmented to the limit of that higher manifester level. Alternatively, if you want to have a higher manifester level in the dorje, you must pay for the dorje as if the power was one level higher for each additional two manifester levels you want.

Alternatively, if you want to have a higher manifester level in the psicrown, you must pay for the psicrown as if the highest-level power is one level higher for each additional two manifester levels you want.

that "alternatively" is alternatively to what? are there two ways to find the cost of a dorje?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Psyrus 07-27-07, 10:59 AM	I'm wondering if I'm missing something or if the Astral Legion psicrown is an exception. From the SRD: The minimum manifester level of a psicrown is 8th. The manifester level of a psicrown cannot be more than five levels higher than the minimum manifester level for the highest-level power in the psicrown. Standard psicrowns are described below. Astral Legion This psicrown has 900 power points. It is made from white silk interwoven with crystalline strands of thread. It allows use of the following power. Astral construct Strong metacreativity; ML 18th; Craft Psicrown, astral construct; Price 47,250 gp. The minimum manifester level for Astral Construct is 1. Going by the rules, the highest you could make the psicrown is ML6. Since you have to increase the power level for every two manifester level increases, is the power level the limiting factor? Confused... :confused: :confused: :confused:
Tempest Stormwind 07-27-07, 11:13 AM	For the longest time, this baffled me as well. However, one of my DMs, DisposableHero, figured it out -- WHILE DMING, I might add, which makes it all the more impressive. The psicrown of the astral legion is priced for Astral Construct augmented to 7th level equivalent (minimum ML 13), with a manifester level of 18 (13+5, since you can't make a psicrown with an ML higher than 5 above the required ML). 375187 = 47,250 GP.
Psyrus 07-27-07, 12:28 PM	Thanks, this helps a lot. :D
Psyrus 07-27-07, 03:17 PM	Hmm, does this mean the prices in the book are incorrect? The market value should be 750x18x7=94,500, the 375x18x7 would be creation cost. :eek:
Zarreth_Nessad 07-28-07, 11:23 PM	I believe the cost of that particular crown is incorrect, at any rate. As implied before, they apparently just put the cost of the materials, instead of the market cost itself. 750 * 18 * 7 = 94,500 375 * 18 * 7 = 47,250 (now working backwards, trying to figure out what the hell the writers were thinking, no offense intended.) 47,250 / 750 = 63 63 / 18 = 3.5 Since there isn't any precedent for making items with a spell/power level of x.5, I have to assume that the power level was supposed to be 7 (3.5 * 2), and they put the cost of materials as the market cost.
Tempest Stormwind 07-28-07, 11:55 PM	All the psicrowns are priced with 375 instead of 750, oddly. (I had to double-check when we did all the crowns in UTP.) I haven't checked how staffs are priced, but I suspect there's a similar problem there.
Zarreth_Nessad 07-29-07, 01:39 AM	Might have something to do with the fact that nowhere in the XPH does it specifically state the market cost formula, rather referring to it as "the base materials cost half the market price" (not necessarily exact words, but close), and then listing a formula for the base costs instead of the market price like they normally do in every other book I've noticed.
gbnogkfs 07-29-07, 01:23 PM	The formula is there; it just isn't consistent with the prices isted. You can't "augment Astral Construct to 7th level", as it is always a 1st level power... ...AND, the maximum ML would then be 1+5=6. It has been years I have tried to find a logic about those prices: no way...
Fafnir 07-29-07, 02:06 PM	You can't "augment Astral Construct to 7th level", as it is always a 1st level power... Not for item creation purposes. A 13 pp Astral Construct counts as a 7th level power in this case.
gbnogkfs 07-29-07, 06:47 PM	mmmhhh... not really convinced. can anyone explain to me the puzzling spelling for dorjes and psicrown costs? If an augmentable power is incorporated into a dorje at a higher manifester level than the minimum level required to manifest the power, each discharge of the power from the dorje is augmented to the limit of that higher manifester level. Alternatively, if you want to have a higher manifester level in the dorje, you must pay for the dorje as if the power was one level higher for each additional two manifester levels you want. Alternatively, if you want to have a higher manifester level in the psicrown, you must pay for the psicrown as if the highest-level power is one level higher for each additional two manifester levels you want. that "alternatively" is alternatively to what? are there two ways to find the cost of a dorje?