Psionic Transparency and Prerequisites [Archive] - Wizards Community

Psionic Transparency and Prerequisites [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Werebat
08-17-07, 10:34 PM Hey all,

I have a player who wants to play a Psychic Theurge. He wants to know if ranks in K: Arcana will substitute for ranks in K: Psionics if we use transparancy rules.

It sounds like they should, but I'm not totally sure. Any official word on this?

- Ron ^*^
Bacris
08-17-07, 10:47 PM RAW psionic transparency does not have any skills counting as each other.

I believe the FAQ stickied at the top of the forum covers this :)
AntiDjinn
08-18-07, 01:16 AM As the rules for skill prereqs stand: No. Transparency does not cover skills.

If you want to allow it then allow it. Your game won't come crashing down in tattered ruins.
sijigs
08-19-07, 10:04 PM Psychic Theurge's are cool!

If your PCs get high enough - watch out for the Dweomer of Transference trick. That'll be on the cards in the near future, I bet. :D
DracoPhoenix
08-20-07, 06:48 AM Hey all,

I have a player who wants to play a Psychic Theurge. He wants to know if ranks in K: Arcana will substitute for ranks in K: Psionics if we use transparancy rules.

It sounds like they should, but I'm not totally sure. Any official word on this?

- Ron ^*^

2 things:

1) If he has know(arcane) does he want wiz/psi or div/psi? Only most divine doesn't have know(arcana), the wiz/psi is the cerebremancer (XPH PrC) and you can't substitute wizard levels for psionic ones (it's not that transparent. (Sorry if I've stated the obvious, just trying to work out which two casting types you're trying to merge)

2) 99.9% of combo casters can be done on a simple case of:

Pre-reqs are equivilant to 3rd level caster on both sides, knowledge(core magic knowledge skill for each side) 6.

Class features:
Crap BAB & Save progression (optional good will), d4 hp, 2+int core casting skills & +1 CL to 2 different base magic systems (divine, arcane, psionic, incarnmum etc).

The name is then pretty much the appropriate combo of the name (I can never remebmer which bit Thurge relates too :( )

(I could be wrong, but shop around - you may find one that offers additional abilities to one side, where you can just drop in the other side you want)
Omnirahk, half-Rahkshi
08-21-07, 07:31 PM [QUOTE=DracoPhoenix;13479940]The name is then pretty much the appropriate combo of the name (I can never remebmer which bit Thurge relates too :( )QUOTE]

Theurge means divine. Except for the eldritch theurge. Because wotc forgot where they got the term theurge from and figured "disciple" sounds more divine. :rolleyes:

Anyway, know (arcana) does not equal know (psionics). Just as know (religion) does not equal know (arcane). With fuller transparency, then yes, they should be interchangeable. But if you do that, make sure:

- UMD = UPD
- craft wondrous item = craft universal item
- craft construct = craft psionic construct

Honestly, these three (or at least 1 & 3) should be true even under regular transparency rules.
InkBlot
08-21-07, 07:37 PM Craft Wonderous and Craft Universal already are trasnparent for most purposes. The XPH suggests that any magic item can be made using the appropriate psionic feat, simply by substituting similar powers for the spells (exchange scorching ray for energy missle, for example).

The Magic Item Compendium comes right out and says that you can use Craft Universal Item to make any wonderous item, and Craft Wonderous Item to make any universal item. All the psionic items in the book are listed as being made with either a certain spell or a certain power, and are not distinguished from magic items.
Werebat
08-22-07, 10:03 PM [QUOTE=DracoPhoenix;13479940]The name is then pretty much the appropriate combo of the name (I can never remebmer which bit Thurge relates too :( )QUOTE]

Theurge means divine. Except for the eldritch theurge. Because wotc forgot where they got the term theurge from and figured "disciple" sounds more divine. :rolleyes:

Anyway, know (arcana) does not equal know (psionics). Just as know (religion) does not equal know (arcane). With fuller transparency, then yes, they should be interchangeable. But if you do that, make sure:

- UMD = UPD
- craft wondrous item = craft universal item
- craft construct = craft psionic construct

Honestly, these three (or at least 1 & 3) should be true even under regular transparency rules.

Thanks everyone. I think the player wants K: Arcane to be able to cover the K: Psionics prerequisite for entry into Psychic Theurge. It sounds like the answer is "no", which makes sense (otherwise transparency makes it easier to get into the class).

- Ron ^*^
sijigs
08-22-07, 10:35 PM I'm playing a Psychic Theurge at the moment and it hasn't really helped me all that much. A few skill point here and there ain't a big thing.

As AntiDjinn said, your campaign isn't gonna collapse..

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Werebat 08-17-07, 10:34 PM	Hey all, I have a player who wants to play a Psychic Theurge. He wants to know if ranks in K: Arcana will substitute for ranks in K: Psionics if we use transparancy rules. It sounds like they should, but I'm not totally sure. Any official word on this? - Ron ^*^
Bacris 08-17-07, 10:47 PM	RAW psionic transparency does not have any skills counting as each other. I believe the FAQ stickied at the top of the forum covers this :)
AntiDjinn 08-18-07, 01:16 AM	As the rules for skill prereqs stand: No. Transparency does not cover skills. If you want to allow it then allow it. Your game won't come crashing down in tattered ruins.
sijigs 08-19-07, 10:04 PM	Psychic Theurge's are cool! If your PCs get high enough - watch out for the Dweomer of Transference trick. That'll be on the cards in the near future, I bet. :D
DracoPhoenix 08-20-07, 06:48 AM	Hey all, I have a player who wants to play a Psychic Theurge. He wants to know if ranks in K: Arcana will substitute for ranks in K: Psionics if we use transparancy rules. It sounds like they should, but I'm not totally sure. Any official word on this? - Ron ^*^ 2 things: 1) If he has know(arcane) does he want wiz/psi or div/psi? Only most divine doesn't have know(arcana), the wiz/psi is the cerebremancer (XPH PrC) and you can't substitute wizard levels for psionic ones (it's not that transparent. (Sorry if I've stated the obvious, just trying to work out which two casting types you're trying to merge) 2) 99.9% of combo casters can be done on a simple case of: Pre-reqs are equivilant to 3rd level caster on both sides, knowledge(core magic knowledge skill for each side) 6. Class features: Crap BAB & Save progression (optional good will), d4 hp, 2+int core casting skills & +1 CL to 2 different base magic systems (divine, arcane, psionic, incarnmum etc). The name is then pretty much the appropriate combo of the name (I can never remebmer which bit Thurge relates too :( ) (I could be wrong, but shop around - you may find one that offers additional abilities to one side, where you can just drop in the other side you want)
Omnirahk, half-Rahkshi 08-21-07, 07:31 PM	[QUOTE=DracoPhoenix;13479940]The name is then pretty much the appropriate combo of the name (I can never remebmer which bit Thurge relates too :( )QUOTE] Theurge means divine. Except for the eldritch theurge. Because wotc forgot where they got the term theurge from and figured "disciple" sounds more divine. :rolleyes: Anyway, know (arcana) does not equal know (psionics). Just as know (religion) does not equal know (arcane). With fuller transparency, then yes, they should be interchangeable. But if you do that, make sure: - UMD = UPD - craft wondrous item = craft universal item - craft construct = craft psionic construct Honestly, these three (or at least 1 & 3) should be true even under regular transparency rules.
InkBlot 08-21-07, 07:37 PM	Craft Wonderous and Craft Universal already are trasnparent for most purposes. The XPH suggests that any magic item can be made using the appropriate psionic feat, simply by substituting similar powers for the spells (exchange scorching ray for energy missle, for example). The Magic Item Compendium comes right out and says that you can use Craft Universal Item to make any wonderous item, and Craft Wonderous Item to make any universal item. All the psionic items in the book are listed as being made with either a certain spell or a certain power, and are not distinguished from magic items.
Werebat 08-22-07, 10:03 PM	[QUOTE=DracoPhoenix;13479940]The name is then pretty much the appropriate combo of the name (I can never remebmer which bit Thurge relates too :( )QUOTE] Theurge means divine. Except for the eldritch theurge. Because wotc forgot where they got the term theurge from and figured "disciple" sounds more divine. :rolleyes: Anyway, know (arcana) does not equal know (psionics). Just as know (religion) does not equal know (arcane). With fuller transparency, then yes, they should be interchangeable. But if you do that, make sure: - UMD = UPD - craft wondrous item = craft universal item - craft construct = craft psionic construct Honestly, these three (or at least 1 & 3) should be true even under regular transparency rules. Thanks everyone. I think the player wants K: Arcane to be able to cover the K: Psionics prerequisite for entry into Psychic Theurge. It sounds like the answer is "no", which makes sense (otherwise transparency makes it easier to get into the class). - Ron ^*^
sijigs 08-22-07, 10:35 PM	I'm playing a Psychic Theurge at the moment and it hasn't really helped me all that much. A few skill point here and there ain't a big thing. As AntiDjinn said, your campaign isn't gonna collapse..