Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Kurama Youko 02-27-07, 08:31 PM	My Psionc Jedi's All Skill Ranks and Saves are base, no ability modifiers or misc bonuses. Originally posted in the Optimization threads. (No one even said, nice work :() The Generic Jedi Consular Human Warblade 1/Psion 2 (Telepath)/Warblade 3/Slayer 9/Mind Bender 1/Master of the Nine 5 Size & Type: Medium Sized Humanoid (Psionic) Hit Dice: 3d12 plus 3d4 plus 14d8+40 Iniatitive: +6 Speed: 30ft Armor Class: Base Attack Bonus/Grapple: 16/+18 Attack: Full Attack: Space / Reach: 5ft/5ft Special Attack: Psionics, Manuvers, Favored Enemy (Illithid+6), Special Qualities: Stances, Uncanny Dodge, Telepathy 100ft, Illithid Sense, Brain Nausea, Lucid Buffer, Cerebral Blind, Breach Power Resistance, Cerebral Immunity, Dual Stance, Perfect Form, Counter Stance, Mastery of Nine Saves: Fort: +9 Ref: +5 Will: +16 Abilities: Str: 15 Dex: 14 Con: 14 Int: 18 Wis: 12 Cha: 10 Skills: Balance +14, Bluff +4, Concentration +23, Diplomacy +23, Intimidate +8, Jump +13, Knowledge (Dungeoneering) +10, Knowledge (History) +10, Listen +12, Martial Lore +16, Psicraft +4, Sense Motive +17, Spot +12, Survival +15, Tumble +23 Feats: (H)Improved Iniatitive, 1st-Blind Fight, (P)Practice Manifester, 3rd-Track, 6th-Adaptive Style, 9th-Martial Study (Burning Blade), 12th-Dodge, 15th-Improved Unarmed Strike, 18th-Mind Sight, Environment: Any Organization: Any Challenge Rating: 20 Treasure: Standard Alignment: Lawful Neutral Advancement: Character Class Level Adjustment: +0 Manifester level: 15 Power Points Per Day: 136 Powers Known 16 1st-Conceal Thoughts, Catfall, Inertial Armor, Empathy, Charm Person 2nd-Suggestion, Id Insinuation, Sustenance, Zone of Alertness 3rd-False Sensory Input, Body Adjustment, Danger Sense, Telekinetic Force 4th-Freedom of Movement, Schism, Empathic Feedback, Psychic Reformation 5th-True Seeing, Power Resistance, Adapt Body, Mind Probe 6th-Cloud Mind Mass, IL: 14 14 Manuvers 8 Readied 3 Stances Leading the Attack (White) Sapphire Nightmare Blade (Diamond) Steely Strike (Iron) Claw at the Moon (Tiger) Mountain Hammer (Stone) Burning Blade (Desert) Action Before Thought (Diamond) Ruby Nightmare Blade (Diamond) Greater Insightful Strike (Diamond) Moment of Alacrity (Diamond) Iron Heart Surge (Iron) Inferno Blade (Desert) Avalanche of Blades (Diamond) Ancient Mountain Hammer (Stone) Stances 3 Stance of Clarity (Diamond) Hearing thr Air (Diamond) Giant Stance (Stone) Skills of Focus: Since you need 10 ranks in 4 skills corrosponding to the 9 disciplines. I suggest the following depending on what discipline of psion you play. Telepath: Diplomacy, Concentration, Sense Motive, Tumble. (Tumble becomes a class skill for you when you take Martial Study (Desert Wind Manuver) and stays one for all classes. So using the Slayers skill points to keep your Tumble, Concentration and Sense Motives high should be easy with a good Int.) Diplomacy is good for the first 5 levels since, telepaths and warblades get that skill. However when your in your Slayer levels you wont have it so easy, thankfully that one level of Mind Bender will allow you to pump the last 2 skill points into it to get it to 10 ranks. Nomad: Jump, Concentration, Sense Motive, Intimidate. (Now in a Nomad build, you'd obviously drop Mind Bender and Mind Sight, and take another level of Slayer. Also by replacing Martial Study Burning Blade with Martial Study (Crusader Strike) you'd keep Intimidate a class skill for all future levels and have enough time to bring it up to qualifying level for Master of the 9.) Egoist: Balance, Concentration, Sense Motive, Intimidate. (For a Egoist, obviously taking metamorphosis is key to your most destructive abilities, and one discipline in particular strikes me as taking full advantage of this and thats the Tiger Claw school, so ranks in jump might be a good idea to do once you actually get into Masters of the 9, but make sure to take some Tiger Claw school manuvers, because nothing says awesome like a 8 Headed Hydra walking over and just before taking a full attack with all 8 heads activates Girallon Windmill Flesh Rip. However to do this little combo, you'd have to op out two levels of your psionic classes for 2 levels of a martial adept class.) You can do there ones to, just look for corrosponding skills. Manuver Selecting: The example above uses alot of Diamond Mind manuvers, however it isnt necessarily the best or most flavored Discipline when it comes to representing the Jedi Consular style. You could very well have chosen to focus on using more Iron Heart manuvers, in some cases it might even have served better for representing the jedi fighting style. Ultimately its up to you based on the disciplines the Warblade has available, and of course how you branch out when you enter master of the nine. Here is another type that is more combat focused. The above is more of a Leader/Diplomat. (Which is great for a General) Jedi Guardians or Luke Skywalker Psychic Warrior 4/Sword Sage 3/Slayer 8/Master of the Nine 5 Size & Type: Medium Sized Humanoid (Psionic) Hit Dice: 20d8+40 Iniatitive: +7 Speed: 40ft when psi focused Armor Class: 26 (Inertial Armor +11, +3 Wis, +2 Dex) 27 w/Dodge, Touch: 15 or 16 w/Dodge, FF: 21 Base Attack Bonus/Grapple: 16/+19 Attack: Full Attack: Space / Reach: 5ft/5ft Special Attack: Psionics, Manuvers, Favored Enemy (Illthid +6), Special Qualities: Stances, AC Bonus, Quick to Act +1, Discipline Focus (Weapon Focus), Illthid Sense, Brain Nausea, Lucid Buffer, Cerebral Blind, Breach Power Resistance, Dual Stance, Perfect Form, Counter Stance, Mastery of Nine Saves: Fort: +9 Ref: +7 Will: +14 Abilities: Str: 16 Dex: 15 Con: 14 Int: 12 Wis: 16 Cha: 10 Skills: Autophynosis +7, Balance +10, Concentration +23, Jump +20, Knowledge (Dungeoneering) +10, Knowledge (History) +8, Listen +12, Psicraft +4, Sense Motive +12, Swim +4, Survival +6, Tumble +20, Feats: (H)Improved Iniatitive, 1st-Track, (P)Speed of Thought, (P)Up the Walls, 3rd-Practice Manifester, 6th-Adaptive Style, 9th-Blind Fight, 12th-Dodge, 15th-Improved Unarmed Strike, 18th-Expanded Knolwedge (Telekinetic Force), Environment: Any Organization: Any Challenge Rating: 20 Treasure: Standard Alignment: Lawful Good Advancement: Character Class Level Adjustment: +0 Manifester level 15 Power Points Per Day: 57 Powers Known: 11 1st- Adrenaline Boost, Inertial Armor, Offensive Precognition 2nd- Hustle, Power Weapon, Body Adjustment 3rd- Danger Sense, Evade Burst, Ubiquitous Vision 4th-Freedom of Movement, Steadfast Perception IL:14 16 Manuvers, 10 Readied, 4 Stances Action Before Thought (Diam) Emerald Razor (Diam) Mountain Hammer (Stone) Claw at the Moon (Tiger) Clever Positioning (Set) Baffling Defense (Set)* Burning Brand (Desert) Soaring Raptor Strike (Tiger)* Wall of Blades (Iron)* Disarming Strike (Iron)* Iron Heart Endurance (Iron)* Greater Insightful Strike (Diamond)* Wolf Climbs Mountain (Tiger)* Finishing Move (Iron)* Ancient Mountain Hammer (Stone)* Iron Heart Surge (Iron)* Stances Blood in the Water (Tiger) Island of Blades (Shadow) Hear the Air (Diam) Prey on the Weak (Tiger) I posted this so as to maybe get some other peoples opinions/ideas maybe even a different take on the build so to represent different aspects. So what say you?
nobodez 02-28-07, 03:28 PM	Well, both builds look interesting, but don't follow the standard template for builds, instead following (loosely) the template for monsters (pre DMG2). If you put it in the standard format, it might get more response, as well as what you'd like us to do. Generic "Jedi" Human Warblade 1/Telepath 3/Warblade +3/Slayer 9/Psionic Mindbender 1/Master of the Nine 5 This looks good, actually, though you may want to mix up the levels a bit, perhaps throw Psionic Mindbender in a bit lower in the build so you can get the telepathy quicker. Oh, and the special ability should be "Enemy Sense", not "illithid Sense", as the character is a generic Slayer, not an Illithid Slayer. As for the "Luke Skywalker" build, it doesn't seem to capture the feel of a farmboy turned jedi, as the build starts with PsiWar, not very farmboy-ish.
Kurama Youko 02-28-07, 04:47 PM	Your more than welcome to adding profession (farmer) in there.
UCsimplyme 02-28-07, 05:14 PM	Man, you really are set on getting peoples opinion with it. You posted it in multiple threads in CharOp too. lol
Kurama Youko 02-28-07, 09:35 PM	O_o I know I wanted some attention. :(
PrinceCurtis 03-02-07, 04:51 PM	Mind Bender? what's that from?
InkBlot 03-02-07, 04:55 PM	Complete Arcane. It's not actually a psionic prestige class, even though it realy realy realy realy realy realy should have been. The first level gives you telepathy, so a lot of builds take just one level of it.
PrinceCurtis 03-03-07, 03:19 PM	Complete Arcane? i'll have to look then cause i don't remeber seeign that
Doomed_Penguin 03-03-07, 04:31 PM	Your more than welcome to adding profession (farmer) in there. Shouldn't it be "Profession: (moisture farmer)" ? I mean, what kind of half-baked geek are you?
Suldarr'essalar 03-03-07, 05:17 PM	Complete Arcane? i'll have to look then cause i don't remeber seeign that MindBender is on page 54, here (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ca_gallery/85442.jpg)'s the picture. As for psionic jedi-like classes, check out my psionic knight (link in sig) ;)
Tralan 03-03-07, 08:27 PM	Complete Arcane. It's not actually a psionic prestige class, even though it realy realy realy realy realy realy should have been. The first level gives you telepathy, so a lot of builds take just one level of it. Actually, the Telepathy discipline works just as well as a base class, if not better (you don't lose manifester/spellcaster levels when taking it). Plus, you don't have to worry about qualifying for the PrC, as the Telepath is a base class hehe
Talkkno 03-03-07, 10:28 PM	MindBender is on page 54, here (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/ca_gallery/85442.jpg)'s the picture. As for psionic jedi-like classes, check out my psionic knight (link in sig) ;) The link is dead. Can you please give me a fixed link?
InkBlot 03-03-07, 10:46 PM	His thread probably got pruned. Complete Arcane. It's not actually a psionic prestige class, even though it realy realy realy realy realy realy should have been. The first level gives you telepathy, so a lot of builds take just one level of it. Actually, the Telepathy discipline works just as well as a base class, if not better (you don't lose manifester/spellcaster levels when taking it). Plus, you don't have to worry about qualifying for the PrC, as the Telepath is a base class hehe I think you're confusing things. The first level of the mindbender class gives you Telepathy (Su). Telepathy (Su): A creature with this ability can communicate telepathically with any other creature within a certain range (specified in the creature’s entry, usually 100 feet) that has a language. It is possible to address multiple creatures at once telepathically, although maintaining a telepathic conversation with more than one creature at a time is just as difficult as simultaneously speaking and listening to multiple people at the same time. Some creatures have a limited form of telepathy, while others have a more powerful form of the ability.
Kintara 03-03-07, 11:35 PM	Personally, I think the Psychic Rogue makes an almost perfect Jedi, if you sub in bonus feats for the sneak attack, like the variant for the normal rogue in Unearthed Arcana.
Kurama Youko 03-03-07, 11:47 PM	The thing about the Mind Bender is that it has an Adaption option for DM's that allows you to change the Prestige Class into a Psionic one, the one im mentioning above is just that, its the Psionic Adaption of the Prestige Class in question, hence it is even better for a Psion with the Telepathy discipline as the first level of it gives you a +1 to Manifester level as well as 100ft Telepathy.
PrinceCurtis 03-05-07, 08:54 PM	o yeah i've found it... it just slipped my mind.I've actually glimpsed at all the PrC in there
Suldarr'essalar 03-13-07, 01:03 PM	The link is dead. Can you please give me a fixed link? It's been moved to the archive: http://boards1.wizards.com/wotc_archive/index.php/t-441895